Mr. Altgens.

Houston and Main.

Mr. Liebeler.

Houston and Main?

Mr. Altgens.

Yes; Houston and Main. When the caravan reached Houston and Main I made at least one shot--one picture--I don't have the roll of film with me now so I don't know exactly, but I know I had made an additional one or two pictures of the caravan coming down Main Street prior to that, but I got the one picture with the President waving into the camera. Mrs. Kennedy was looking at me at the time, just as I got ready to snap it the north wind caught her hat and almost blew it off, so she raised her left hand to grab her hat and I did not get her looking into the camera, but I got the Governor and Mrs. Connally and the President with the President waving into the camera.

Mr. Liebeler.

This was as they turned?

Mr. Altgens.

This was as they turned into the sunlight.

Mr. Liebeler.

Turning into Houston Street; is that right?

Mr. Altgens.

Turning right--headed toward the Book Depository Building.

Mr. Liebeler.

All right.

Mr. Altgens.

I thereupon grabbed my gadget bag that I carry my extra lenses in and ran fast down across the Dealey Plaza to get down in front of the caravan for some additional pictures and I took this one picture----

Mr. Liebeler.

Wait just a minute now--at this point, as you ran across, you were along Elm Street; is that correct?

Mr. Altgens.

Well, I ran across and reached up into--well, the curb area on the west side of Elm Street.

Mr. Liebeler.

Across Elm Street from the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Altgens.

Yes, sir; and if I had a picture I could probably show you exactly where I was standing. I did show it to Agent Switzer, if that would be of any help to you.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; I would like to locate that spot. I show you Exhibit No. 354, which is an aerial view of the area that we have been discussing.

Mr. Altgens.

This is the Book Depository Building, correct?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.
(The witness points to the School Book Depository Building.)

Mr. Altgens.

This would put me at approximately this area here, which would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have indicated a spot along the side of Elm Street which I have marked with a No. 3; is that correct?

Mr. Altgens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that approximately where you were standing?

Mr. Altgens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, when you took the picture of the caravan turning from Main Street to the right on Houston Street, you then ran across this Dealey Plaza?

Mr. Altgens.

Down this way; yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Along the lawn part.

Mr. Altgens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

To the point marked No. 3 on Commission Exhibit No. 354?

Mr. Altgens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

And at that point did you take another picture?

Mr. Altgens.

I made one picture at the time I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker--I did not know it was a shot, but evidently my picture, as I recall, and it was almost simultaneously with the shot--the shot was just a fraction ahead of my picture, but that much---of course at that time I figured it was nothing more than a firecracker, because from my position down here the sound was not of such volume that it would indicate to me it was a high-velocity rifle.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any idea where the sound came from when you were standing there at No. 3 on Commission Exhibit No. 354?

Mr. Altgens.

Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of pops that took place, but