Mr. Liebeler.

Had the President's car already passed you at the time you heard the first noise?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell me approximately how far down the street it had gone when you heard the first shot?

Mrs. Baker.

I don't know exactly--I could still see the back of the car--I can't judge distance so I really couldn't tell you.

Mr. Liebeler.

It hadn't gone out of sight in your opinion?

Mrs. Baker.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you still see the President?

Mrs. Baker.

Not too well.

Mr. Liebeler.

There is a gradual curve on Elm Street and the car had already started slightly into the curve by the time it had gone by you?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say you saw something hit the street after you heard the first shot; is that right?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where did you see it hit the street?

Mrs. Baker.

Have you got that---can you see the signs on that picture there?

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, you can't see the signs too well on that picture, which is Commission Exhibit No. 354, but I will show you some other pictures here on which the signs do appear. First of all, let me show you Hudson Exhibit No. 1 on which appears a sign that says, "Stemmons Freeway, Keep Right."

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you see that sign?

Mrs. Baker.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Stemmons Freeway sign from where you were standing?

Mrs. Baker.

No; I couldn't see the sign because I was angled--we were stepping out in the street then and it was approximately along in here, I presume, the first sign--I don't know which one it is, but I saw the bullet hit on down this way, I guess, right at the sign, angling out.

Mr. Liebeler.

You think the bullet hit the street, only it was farther out in the street?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Even though you couldn't see the sign, you could see this thing hit the street near the sign?

Mrs. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

It appears to me from looking at Commission Exhibit No. 354, that you can in fact make out where the signs are located along the side of the road and let's see if these do look like the signs. Now, as you come down Elm Street past the place you were standing going toward the triple underpass, there is a tree here on this little grassy triangular spot that is on the side of Elm Street toward the Texas School Book Depository Building, right on Dealey Plaza here by this concrete structure. Then, after the tree, going on down toward the triple underpass, it appears in the aerial photograph--a spot that looks like a sign or a shadow--it looks like a sign to me.

Mrs. Baker.

There is a sign there.

Mr. Liebeler.

And then there's another sign farther on down there.

Mrs. Baker.

This was a big sign here and there was a small one here.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you think that it was approximately near the first sign?

Mrs. Baker.

As I can remember, it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

As you went down Elm Street that you saw this thing hit the street--what did it look like when you saw it?

Mrs. Baker.

Well, as I said, I thought it was a firecracker. It looked just like you could see the sparks from it and I just thought it was a firecracker and I was thinking that there was somebody was fixing to get in a lot of trouble and we thought the kids or whoever threw it were down below or standing near the underpass or back up here by the sign.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would they have been as far down as the underpass or somewhere near the sign to have thrown a firecracker in the street?

Mrs. Baker.

It was near the signs.

Mr. Liebeler.

How close to the curb on Elm Street was this thing you saw