(Testimony of Eddie Piper)
Mr. Piper.
No, sir; I didn't mention it but I knows he wasn't in the lineup, and Charles---I don't know whether he was, but he went out for lunch.
Mr. Ball.
Was Charles Givens there?
Mr. Piper.
I couldn't remember seeing him. He went out for lunch and I don't remember whether he come out from the building again or not because I was getting dressed to get out of there myself.
Mr. Ball.
That's all.
Mr. Piper.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
William H. Shelley
Testimony of William H. Shelley
The testimony of William H. Shelley was taken at 3 p.m., on May 14, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. Ball.
Mr. Shelley, you have been sworn and this will be a continuation of your deposition. You are still under oath, you understand that?
Mr. Shelley.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Do you recall seeing a couple of guns in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 20th of November 1963?
Mr. Shelley.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Where?
Mr. Shelley.
Just outside Mr. Truly's office on the will-call counter.
Mr. Ball.
And how did they get there?
Mr. Shelley.
Mr. Warren Caster had just purchased them and brought them in and stopped by to see us.
Mr. Ball.
Did you handle the guns?
Mr. Shelley.
I held the .22.
Mr. Ball.
And was there another make of gun too---there was, wasn't there?
Mr. Shelley.
Yes; I believe there was a .30-06 Mauser that had been converted. It was a foreign make converted to a .30-06.
Mr. Ball.
Did you handle that?
Mr. Shelley.
No.
Mr. Ball.
What happened to the guns?
Mr. Shelley.
Well, we looked them over, like you do any new toy, and he putts them back in the box and goes out of the door.
Mr. Ball.
And did you ever see them again?
Mr. Shelly.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Had you ever seen any guns in that building before that date?
Mr. Shelly.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Did you ever see any guns in that building between that date and the time the President was shot?
Mr. Shelley.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. Shelley.
It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. Ball.
Where?
Mr. Shelley.
On the first floor over near the telephone.
Mr. Ball.
Did you ever see him again?
Mr. Shelley.
At the police station when they brought him in.
Mr. Ball.
Did you see him in the building at any time after 12?
Mr. Shelly.
No.
Mr. Ball.
Did you at anytime after the President was shot see Oswald in the building?
Mr. Shelley.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Did you at anytime after the President was shot tell Oswald to go home?
Mr. Shelley.
No, sir.
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