Mr. Walker.

And he started down that way, and I was walking toward him slightly behind him in the same row of seats that Oswald was sitting.

Mr. Belin.

So you approached Oswald from Oswald's left, and McDonald approached Oswald from Oswald's right?

Mr. Walker.

That's right.

Mr. Belin.

Was Oswald sitting closer to McDonald, or you?

Mr. Walker.

Closer to McDonald. He was sitting in the third seat from McDonald's aisle.

Mr. Belin.

All right, then, what happened?

Mr. Walker.

McDonald approached him, and he said, I don't know exactly, I assumed he said, "Stand up!" And Oswald stood up.

Mr. Belin.

Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. Walker.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Was Oswald facing you as he stood up?

Mr. Walker.

No; he faced McDonald.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Walker.

He put his hand up, not exactly as you would raise your hands to be searched, but more or less showing off his muscles, what I call it, kind of hunching his shoulders at the same time, and McDonald put his hand down to Oswald's pocket, it looked like to me, and McDonald's head was tilted slightly to the right, looking down in the right hand.

Mr. Belin.

Looking in whose?

Mr. Walker.

McDonald's right hand as he was searching, and he felt of his pocket, and Oswald then hit him, ,it appeared, with his left hand first, and then with his right hand. They was scuffling .there, and Officer Hutson and I ran toward the back of Oswald and Hutson threw his arm around his neck, and I grabbed his left arm, and we threw him back over the seat.
At this time I didn't see any gun that was involved. I don't know whether we pulled Oswald away .from McDonald for a split second or what, but he was thrown back against the seat, and then the next thing I saw, Oswald's hand was down on the gun in his belt there, and McDonald had came forward again and was holding his, Oswald's hand.

Mr. Belin.

When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see by his belt?

Mr. Walker.

I Saw his fight hand. I had his left hand, you see.

Mr. Belin.

When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?

Mr. Walker.

He had ahold of the handle of it.

Mr. Belin.

Handle of what?

Mr. Walker.

The revolver.

Mr. Belin.

Was there a revolver there?

Mr. Walker.

Yes; there was.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Walker.

And it stayed there for a second or two. He didn't get it out. McDonald had come forward and was holding his hand.
Ray Hawkins was behind me to my left at that time, and whether or not he came at the same time we did or not, but he was there, and there was a detective.
Oswald had ahold of my shirt and he practically pulled off my nameplate by gripping it with his hand, ,and I was bent over, and I was in an awkward position, and I could see several hands on the gun.
The gun finally got out of his belt, and it was about waist high and pointed out at about a 45 degree angle.
I turned around and I was holding Oswald trying to get his arm up behind him in a hammerlock, and I heard it click. I turned around and the gun was still Pointing at approximately a 45 degree angle. Be pointed slightly toward the screen, what I call.
Now Hawkins was in the general direction of the gun.

Mr. Belin.

When you heard a click, what kind of click was it?

Mr. Walker.

A real light click, real light.

Mr. Belin.

Was it a click of the seat?

Mr. Walker.

Well, I assume it was a click of a revolver on the shell, and