Mr. Ball.

And Jarman and Norman say that they went back into building?

Mr. Truly.

Well, apparently they did, but I saw them out there---I them there on the corner and starting across the street, but whether they completed it---I don't know.

Mr. Ball.

Where is the last place you saw Givens?

Mr. Truly.

The last place I remember seeing Givens was in the middle of the crossing, in the middle of Houston Street.

Mr. Ball.

Walking in which direction?

Mr. Truly.

Walking east.

Mr. Ball.

Walking east on the north side of Elm?

Mr. Truly.

North side of Elm--he had not completely crossed the Houston Street.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did Givens come back to the building later?

Mr. Truly.

I didn't see him--later on he did.

Mr. Ball.

When--how much later?

Mr. Truly.

Much later--I suppose I don't know his actions during that

Mr. Ball.

Did he come hack to the building?

Mr. Truly.

No.

Mr. Ball.

After the shooting?

Mr. Truly.

I can't say--I think he came back to the front of the I can't answer for sure whether he came in the building--I know he was at the police station later on.

Mr. Ball.

I think that's all right now.
(The deposition of the deponent Truly was adjourned from Room 301 Federal Building, Dallas, Tex., and continued at the office of the deponent Truly in the Texas School Book Depository Building, 411 Elm Street, Dallas, Tex., as follows:)

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Truly, when you came into the building with Officer Baker you tried to look up the elevator shaft, didn't you?

Mr. Truly.

Yes; I sure did.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you see the elevators?

Mr. Truly.

On the fifth floor--both of them on the same floor.

Mr. Ball.

They were both up on the fifth floor?

Mr. Truly.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You are sure of that?

Mr. Truly.

I am sure, because their bottoms were level.

Mr. Ball.

When you went up to the floor, was there an elevator on any of the floors?

Mr. Truly.

When I reached the fifth floor, the east elevator was there, but west one was not.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know where it was?

Mr. Truly.

No; I don't. I didn't look, I just remember it wasn't upstairs, so it was down below me somewhere.

Mr. Ball.

You took the east elevator?

Mr. Truly.

I took the east elevator load to the seventh floor.

Mr. Ball.

That's all.

Mr. Truly.

Fine.

Warren Caster

Testimony of Warren Caster

The testimony of Warren Caster was taken at 2 p.m., on May 14, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas,. Tex. by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's
Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. Caster, would you please stand up and take the oath?
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?