Mr. Michaelis.

That is correct.

Mr. Ball.

You have no personal knowledge, then, of the transaction by which the gun was shipped and sold?

Mr. Michaelis.

Not prior to the first investigation.

Mr. Ball.

But you are providing me with records which were under your control as of November 1963?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes; correct.

Mr. Ball.

Now, can you tell me who would have actually received the mail order through the mail and who would have filled the order and shipped it? Do you know what person would have done this?

Mr. Michaelis.

There are various operations. The order was received by----

Mr. Rose.

I probably would have opened it.

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes; Mr. Rose usually opens the mail and distributes the mail. This particular order would have gone to the person in charge at that time of the Seaport Traders, who was Emma Vaughn.

Mr. Ball.

Who?

Mr. Michaelis.

Emma Vaughn, V-a-u-g-h-n.

Mr. Ball.

Then what would have happened?

Mr. Michaelis.

She would have processed the order in writing up invoice No. 5371. After 1 week she gave out the order to the order filler and packer.

Mr. Ball.

What is the name?

Mr. Michaelis.

This is a title, order filler and packer. She is one person.

Mr. Ball.

What is that last word?

Mr. Michaelis.

Packer.

Mr. Ball.

Packer. I see.

Mr. Michaelis.

And the order was shipped on March the 20th, 1963.

Mr. Ball.

You have been testifying from a record which you have before you?

Mr. Michaelis.

That is correct.

Mr. Ball.

And that is a paper which has been marked for identification by the Federal Bureau of Investigation DL-28, Seaport Traders, Inc., No. A-5371. Is that correct? You have been testifying from information contained on that?

Mr. Michaelis.

Correct.

Mr. Ball.

That was in your records, was it, as of November 30, 1963?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes; it was.

Mr. Ball.

Will you tell me, describe that document and tell me its significance in your business?

Mr. Michaelis.

This particular document is, after the order is processed, filed in our records under the name of the respective customer.

Mr. Ball.

You mean after the revolver that was ordered by this mail order coupon, 135, has been packed and shipped, this invoice A-5371, is filed as a permanent record, is it, of the shipment?

Mr. Michaelis.

Correct; filed under the name of the respective customer.

Mr. Ball.

Now, this shows the words A. J. Hidell, P.O. Box 2915, Dallas, Tex. This appears on this invoice A-5371, does it not?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

It is described as an S. & W. .38 special, 2-inch Commando. What is the meaning of that?

Mr. Michaelis.

Two inch is the barrel length. Commando is a description which we more or less gave because we have another 2-inch gun at a higher price and, in order that the order filler is able to identify between the two types, we have this type described as Commando.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the No. 510210. What is the significance of that number?

Mr. Michaelis.

It is the serial number of the gun in question

Mr. Ball.

And it shows deposit, $10. Balance c.o.d., $19.95. What is the significance of that?

Mr. Michaelis.

We received, together with the order, the amount of $10 in cash. Since the sales price is $29.95, the merchandise was shipped with a c.o.d for the balance of $19.95.

Mr. Ball.

Does this invoice show the date it was shipped?

Mr. Michaelis.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What was that?