Mr. Belin.

Now, I'm going to hand you what has been marked as Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 and ask you to state if you know what this is.

Mr. Scibor.

Yes; it's a copy of our receiving record which we use to identify firearms or guns by assigning a weapon a particular booking number or control number along with the serial number so at a future date we can identify that particular gun.

Mr. Belin.

Have you ever seen Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 7 before?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

I notice the date and the notations in the upper lefthand corner, RR-1243; underneath that, the date 2-22-63. Do you know what that has reference to?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes; the "RR" stands for receiving record No. 1243, and that merchandise was booked or actually received by our receiving-department on 2-22-63.

Mr. Belin.

Does it show from whom it was received?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes; Crescent Firearms.

Mr. Belin.

And underneath the "Crescent Firearms," what does it say?

Mr. Scibor.

Italian Carcano T38, 6.5 Italian caliber rifle.

Mr. Belin.

Now, there are some notations in the upper righthand corner, what does that have reference to?

Mr. Scibor.

Those are notations strictly for the receiving department. I have the men back there keep these in rotation so that I can always fill--in the same rotation as they come out of.

Mr. Belin.

And did you do any of that writing at all?

Mr. Scibor.

No.

Mr. Belin.

What is the fact as to whether or not these serial numbers are assigned by people under your supervision?

Mr. Scibor.

Repeat that.

Mr. Belin.

Well, do you have any supervision or control over the people making the entries on the serial numbers and your control numbers?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

I don't believe we went into your background, general background. You might state where you were born and what educational background you have, for the record.

Mr. Scibor.

I was born in Chicago, November 27, 1920. I finished 4 years of high school, 6 1/2 years in the Marine Corps, and Klein's Sporting Goods.

Mr. Belin.

You're married?

Mr. Scibor.

I have been with Klein's for 18 years.

Mr. Belin.

You have been with Klein's for 18----

Mr. Scibor.

Approximately 18 years.

Mr. Belin.

And you're married?

Mr. Scibor.

Married and two children.

Mr. Belin.

Where is Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 filed customarily?

Mr. Scibor.

That is filed in a ,desk drawer back in the receiving department, which I designated that those should be filed.

Mr. Belin.

Do you have any master control ledger or book of any kind that has these control numbers on them?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes. One copy is sent to what we call the booking department, and those are put into a master book, control book.

Mr. Belin.

Are you required by law to keep records of serial numbers of guns?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

And do you find on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 your control number for a rifle with the serial number C-2766?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

What is your control number?

Mr. Scibor.

VC-836.

Mr. Belin.

How are these serial numbers obtained for placement on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4?

Mr. Scibor.

Directly off the guns.

Mr. Belin.

Does someone actually look at the gun?

Mr. Scibor.

Yes; someone looks; visually they are taken off the guns.