Mr. Waldman.

been shipped, so we knew the approximate date of receipt by us, and from that we made---let's see, we examined our microfilm records which show orders from mail order customers and related papers, and from this determined to whom the gun had been shipped by us.

Mr. Belin.

Are these microfilm records part of your customary recording of transactions of your company?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes; they are.

Mr. Belin.

I'm handing you what has been marked as an FBI Exhibit D-77 and ask you if you know what this is.

Mr. Waldman.

This is a microfilm record that---of mail order transactions for a given period of time. It was turned over by us to the FBI.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know when it was turned over to the FBI?

Mr. Waldman.

It was turned over to them on November 23, 1963.

Mr. Belin.

Now, you are reading from the carton containing that microfilm. Do you know whose initials are on there?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes; the initials on here are mine and they were put on the date on which this was turned over to the FBI concerned with the investigation.

Mr. Belin.

You have on your premises a machine for looking at the microfilm prints?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

And you can make copies of the microfilm prints?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

I wonder if we can adjourn the deposition upstairs to take a look at these records in the microfilm and get copies of the appropriate records that you found on the evening of November 22.

Mr. Waldman.

Yes.
(Whereupon, the following proceedings were had at the microfilm machine.)

Mr. Belin.

Mr. Waldman, you have just put the microfilm which we call D-77 into your viewer which is marked a Microfilm Reader-Printer, and you have identified this as No. 270502, according to your records. Is this just a record number of yours on this particular shipment?

Mr. Waldman.

That's a number which we assign for identification purposes.

Mr. Belin.

And on the microfilm record, would you please state who it shows this particular rifle was shipped

Mr. Waldman.

Shipped to a Mr. A.--last name H-i-d-e-l-l, Post Office Box 2915, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Belin.

And does it show arts' serial number or control number?

Mr. Waldman.

It shows shipment of a rifle bearing our control number VC-836 and serial number C-2766.

Mr. Belin.

Is there a price shown for that?

Mr. Waldman.

Price is $19.95, plus $1.50 postage and handling, or a total of $21.45.

Mr. Belin.

Now, I see another number off to the left. What is this number?

Mr. Waldman.

The number that you referred to, C20-T750 is a catalog number.

Mr. Belin.

And after that, there appears some words of identification or description. Can you state what that is?

Mr. Waldman.

The number designates an item which we sell, namely, an Italian carbine, 6.5 caliber rifle with the 4X scope.

Mr. Belin.

Is there a date of shipment which appears on this microfilm record?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes; the date of shipment was March 20, 1963.

Mr. Belin.

Does it show by what means it was shipped?

Mr. Waldman.

It was shipped by parcel post as indicated by this circle around the letters "PP."

Mr. Belin.

Does it show if any amount was enclosed with the order itself?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes; the amount that was enclosed with the order was $21.45, as designated on the right-hand side of this order blank here.

Mr. Belin.

Opposite the words "total amount enclosed"?

Mr. Waldman.

Yes.