Mr. Stern.

Do you recall anything else that Agent Patterson told you that Mr. Hosty had told him?

Mr. SORRELS. No; I cannot recall anything else. Because I had information--had also gotten information from others. In other words, there was general information around the Police Department there that the FBI had a file on this individual.

Mr. Stern.

Any other of your agents tell you that Hosty had said anything to them about Oswald that you can recall?

Mr. Sorrels.

You mean at that specific date, regarding that specific date?

Mr. Stern.

Either on Friday or on Saturday.

Mr. Sorrels.

No. During the course of this thing, it was my understanding that--I don't remember how the information came to me---that Hosty had been checking on this Oswald, and that they had information or knew that he was in this building. I cannot pinpoint it any way specifically, because the information came several different times to that effect.

Mr. Stern.

Now, you told us something of Oswald's physical appearance when you saw him at the interview.

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

And at the showup.

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Did his appearance change in the course of that time?

Mr. Sorrels.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Stern.

Over that 3-day period, did you see any sign that force or any other form of coercion was used on Oswald by anyone?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Did you observe or hear of any intimidation of Oswald or the offer of any benefit to Oswald if he were to confess?

Mr. Sorrels.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Did you participate in or observe any other interrogation of Oswald following your own brief interrogation?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

When was that?

Mr. Sorrels.

On the following day----

Mr. Stern.

That is Saturday, the 23d?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, sir; I sat in on part of an interview with him, with Captain Fritz. And then, again, on Sunday the 24th, just before he was shot.

Mr. Stern.

Did the question of counsel come up again--that is, a lawyer for Oswald?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes. During the interview with Captain Fritz, when I was in there, he mentioned the fact that he wanted to get a man by the name of Abt, or some similar name like that. I never had heard of him before. Apt, or some similar name.
And Captain Fritz said, "Well you can use the phone and you can call him."

Mr. Stern.

When was this?

Mr. Sorrels.

That was Saturday morning. And it is my understanding that Oswald did attempt to reach this man on the phone.

Mr. Stern.

But you didn't observe it?

Mr. Sorrels.

I did not observe that; no.

Mr. Stern.

Did you hear him mention at any time a lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes. He said if he could not get this man--I wish I could remember his name a very short name, Apt or something like that.

Mr. Stern.

A-b-t?

Mr. Sorrels.

Yes, A-b-t. Yes--if he couldn't get him, he wanted a lawyer supplied by the Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Stern.

What else occurred at the interview on Saturday that you can remember?

Mr. Sorrels.

He was questioned abut the rifle, because, at that time, as I recall it, it had been determined that the rifle had been purchased from Kleins in Chicago, and shipped to a person using the name of A. Hidell. And he was questioned by Captain Fritz along those lines. And he denied that the rifle was his. He denied knowing or using the name of A. Hidell, or Alek Hidell.