Mr. Leavelle.

about it there a minute before I went up and got him, talked about informing him of this lawyer's request or offer. I said "Why not let him have telegram, show him the telegram, let him read it himself," so, that's what the captain done---let him have the telegram.

Mr. Stern.

Do you recall whether any of the witnesses at the showups at which you were present said that they had seen Oswald on television before they got to the police headquarters?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, I think it would have been impossible for anybody, any of them to see him with the exception of the two bus--cabdrivers. Now, the others may have, I don't recall, but the others all came down on the day of the assassination so I don't believe that they would have, but I know Helen Markham would not have because she was taken directly to city hall and had been there ever since it happened, so she would not, and I do not believe Mr. Callaway and the Negro porter, Sam Guinyard, would have had an opportunity, either.

Mr. Stern.

In any event, you do not recall it?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not recall, but I am not saying it would not have happened.

Mr. Stern.

That's all I have.

Mr. Ball.

I would like to have Officer Leavelle's reports on the officer's duties filed as an exhibit to this deposition. It is marked "Pages 216, 217, 218, 219, 220." It is a part of the formal report of the Dallas Police Department concerning the assassination of President Kennedy and Officer Leavelle, your testimony will be written up by the shorthand reporter and will be submitted to you if you wish for you to read it and sign it, or, if you wish, you can waive your signature and it will be written up and forwarded to the Commission without your signature. How will you prefer?

Mr. Leavelle.

I see no reason for me to sign it as long as it comes out like I put it down there.

Mr. Ball.

If you have confidence in the reporter you can waive signature and we will send it on.

Mr. Leavelle.

All right.

Mr. Ball.

It is pages 216 through 220 of the formal report which is included in this Exhibit A. Thank you very much, Mr. Leavelle.

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W. E. Barnes

Testimony of W. E. Barnes

The testimony of W. E. Barnes was taken at 9:15 a.m., on April 7, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Belin.

Would you rise and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Barnes.

I do.

Mr. Belin.

Would you please sit down. You can smoke if you want to.

Mr. Barnes.

It causes lung cancer.

Mr. Belin.

I don't know if I formally introduced myself. I am David Belin, actually a practicing attorney from Des Moines, Iowa, and about a dozen of us practicing attorneys from across the country have been with the President's Commission on the Assassination for most of the past 3 months as consultants, and that is how I happen to be down here in your city. Would you please state your name for the record.

Mr. Barnes.

W. E. Barnes.

Mr. Belin.

Where do you live, Mr. Barnes?

Mr. Barnes.

Route 2, Plano, Tex.

Mr. Belin.

Is that a suburb of Dallas?

Mr. Barnes.

It is.

Mr. Belin.

What is your occupation?