Mr. Leavelle.

He kind of grunted, said "Yes, that's right" and he said "How do you explain that?" And, as best my knowledge. he said "I don't explain it."

Mr. Ball.

Anybody ask him about a gun, whether or not he bought a rifle?

Mr. Leavelle.

I am sure they did. I remember some of them asking about the rifle and about it being sent to the box here in Dallas but I do not recall. I am not sure he denied it but I do not recall what his exact denial was.

Mr. Ball.

You say he denied it. Do you remember whether or not he denied that he had bought a rifle?

Mr. Leavelle.

To the best of my knowledge I do. He did deny it but I would not swear to it.

Mr. Ball.

Was anything said about a revolver?

Mr. Leavelle.

I am sure they asked him something about the revolver, too, but I do not recall what it was.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say whether or not he had a revolver in his possession at the time of his arrest?

Mr. Leavelle.

I do not recall what the questions was along that line or even what the answers was. Like I say, I am sure that they did. It seems as though my memory tells me that he did not deny taking the revolver but there, again. I would not want to say definitely.

Mr. Ball.

Did you make any notes of the conversation?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I did not myself. That was the only time I ever sat in on the interrogations of him by Captain Fritz or anyone.

Mr. Ball.

Is that the first time you had seen Oswald?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I had seen him, of course, the first day he was arrested and when they brought him in and out of the office taking him to and from the jail and, of course, I had saw him at the showups, what-have-you.

Mr. Ball.

Had you ever talked to him before?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I had never talked to him before.

Mr. Ball.

Did he have any marks on his face when you first saw him on Friday, the 22d of November?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, no; not that I recall. He I know he had a black eye. I remember seeing that some time along the way but I do not recall when I first noticed it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever talk to Oswald about his black eye?

Mr. Leavelle.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever hear him say anything to anyone as to how he received the black eye?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; I remember at one time when they were moving him. Of course, if you saw television that day, I am sure you saw what men we had in the hallway up there with the photographers and newsmen, all were sticking microphones out at arms' length and hollering questions at him, and at one time someone asked him how he got the black eye. He said "A cop hit me," but that was just a hollered response to some unknown question or unknown newsreporter asking him.

Mr. Ball.

As you would move Oswald through the halls on the third floor from one room to another----

Mr. Leavelle.

Actually, it wasn't from one room to the other; it would be from our office to the elevator which is some 20 feet.

Mr. Ball.

On those occasions would the hallway be crowded with reporters, newsmen, and television cameramen?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; cameramen and television men all over the place; in fact, I was plumb up to my chin with those people.

Mr. Stern.

How do you mean?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, I was disgusted with them.

Mr. Stern.

Would they not cooperate with your request to stand in a particular place?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; if you ever slopped hogs and throw down a pail of slop and saw them rush after it you would understand what that was like up there--about the same situation.

Mr. Ball.

I'm through. Do you have some questions, Mr. Stern?

Mr. Stern.

There was just no response. You asked them to cooperate with you?