Mr. Belin.
Was this after you relinquished custody of Oswald?
Mr. Carroll.
Yes.
Mr. Belin.
Up to that time had you heard it?
Mr. Carroll.
I don't recall hearing it prior to the time I was in the city hall.
Mr. Belin.
Anything else you can think of, whether we have discussed this or not, that in any way might be relevant?
Mr. Carroll.
No, sir; because when we brought him out of the car, we took him straight up to the homicide and robbery office and there left him in custody of a homicide and robbery officer.
Mr. Belin.
When this gun, Commission Exhibit 143, was taken by you and then subsequently given to Hill, did you at any time notice whether it was or was not loaded?
Mr. Carroll.
I observed Sergeant Hill unload the gun.
Mr. Belin.
How many bullets were in it?
Mr. Carroll.
It was full. I believe there was six bullets, the best I recall.
Mr. Belin.
All right, sir; we thank you again for making the second trip down, and we are sorry we didn't have the exhibit here when you first testified. You have an opportunity, if you like, to read your deposition and sign it before it goes to Washington, or you can waive.
Mr. Carroll.
I will sign it.
Mr. Belin.
All right, you will be contacted.
Mr. Carroll.
All right, fine.
-------------------------------
Thomas Alexander Hutson
Testimony of Thomas Alexander Hutson
The testimony of Thomas Alexander Hutson was taken at 9 a.m., on April 3, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. Belin.
Would you stand and raise your right hand, please. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. Hutson.
I do.
Mr. Belin.
Will you please state your name?
Mr. Hutson.
Thomas A. Hutson.
Mr. Belin.
And your occupation?
Mr. Hutson.
Police officer for the city of Dallas.
Mr. Belin.
How old are you, Mr. Hutson?
Mr. Hutson.
Thirty-five years.
Mr. Belin.
How long have you been a police officer?
Mr. Hutson.
Nine years.
Mr. Belin.
Go to school here in Dallas?
Mr. Hutson.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
High school?
Mr. Hutson.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Graduate of high school or not?
Mr. Hutson.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
What school?
Mr. Hutson.
Forest Avenue High School.
Mr. Belin.
Where did you go when you got out of high school?
Mr. Hutson.
Went to work for Texas & Pacific Railway in the general office at Elm and Griffin Street as a mail clerk.
Mr. Belin.
How long was that?
Mr. Hutson.
That was in 1947, in July----that is in January of 1947, and I worked there continuously until July of 1948. when I enlisted in the U.S. Army.
Mr. Belin.
How long did you serve in the Army?
Mr. Hutson.
Four years.
Mr. Belin.
What did you do there?
Mr. Hutson.
I went to Fort Ord, Calif., for basic training, and from there
