Mr. Belin.

Do you know of your own personal knowledge whether or not he was ever advised that he had a right to have a lawyer?

Mr. Graves.

Not in my presence.

Mr. Belin.

This is what I am asking, then, just of your own knowledge?

Mr. Graves.

No; he wasn't.

Mr. Belin.

He might have been by someone else, but it wasn't done before you?

Mr. Graves.

Might have been by someone else, but not in my presence.

Mr. Belin.

Was this as much contact as you had with Oswald? You indicate you saw him in a showup and you picked him up in a jail cell and you brought him down to be interrogated on November 24, when you were present during about 10 minutes, the latter part of this interrogation. Any other contacts with Oswald apart from these?

Mr. Graves.

No; not that I had direct contact with him.

Mr. Belin.

What was your impression of him, as far as a person is concerned? His demeanor, his action, what kind of a person he was?

Mr. Graves.

Well, of course I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but I would say he was an eight ball, in my vernacular.

Mr. Belin.

An eight ball in Army vernacular?

Mr. Graves.

In any vernacular. We deal with a lot of people in our business, as well as we run into all types of people. I would say that he was egotistical.

Mr. Belin.

Let me stop right there. What gave you the impression he was egotistical?

Mr. Graves.

Well, I don't know. A person of his nature and cocky attitude, I don't know exactly how to explain it.

Mr. Belin.

Any specific thing that he did that gave you that impression, that you can remember at all, or not?

Mr. Graves.

No; not anything in particular. Again, you just have to be around people. I don't know how to explain how people act to where it means anything, but I know what it means to me. I have been wrong a few times, but I have been right most of the time in summing up how people are, their actions, and so forth, and I would say this boy was a little far out in his belief about things in general.
And the way he conducted hisself. He is just plain egotistical, that is all. He don't care about you, me, or anybody else. He is caring about Oswald.

Mr. Belin.

Can you think of any specific action or remark of his that might be an illustration of this?

Mr. Graves.

I can't offhand, no.

Mr. Belin.

Well, you described him, you used the phrase "eight ball." You used "egotistical." Can you use any other adjective that you think would apply to him as you saw him?

Mr. Graves.

No; I think that pretty well covers it, myself.

Mr. Belin.

Was he generally quiet, or was he soft spoken, or was he quick to make remarks?

Mr. Graves.

Well, he was quick to answer and quick to make a remark when he was spoken to or asked a question.

Mr. Belin.

Is he what you would categorize as polite in his answers or not?

Mr. Graves.

Not always polite. He was straightforward and to the point, and not necessarily polite.
Don't lead me off in a channel of psychiatry, because I am just telling you my own personal feeling about the man, and I could be wrong, as I said. So I am not an expert in that field. I am just telling you what I think about the man, and you take it for what it is worth. As I said, I could be wrong. I have been wrong before.

Mr. Belin.

Was he attentive as you saw him. I mean, did he----

Mr. Graves.

If you mean--he is sharp when it comes to talking to the men. He listened to everything, everybody he saw, and he had an answer by the time you got through asking him. That would make him attentive.

Mr. Belin.

This could be helpful. In other words, if he were asked a question, did he pause before he answered the question, or did he just shoot an answer straight back?

Mr. Graves.

Just answered right back.