Mr. Ball.

Where were you in that showup? What number?

Mr. Ables.

Same position, No. 4.

Mr. Ball.

Who was in that showup?

Mr. Ables.

It was Perry, Oswald, Clark, and myself.

Mr. Ball.

Same ones as in the first showup up there?

Mr. Ables.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Ask you questions?

Mr. Ables.

I don't recall on that, on the second showup. I know he did on the first showup.

Mr. Ball.

You don't know whether he did or not ask you questions?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir; not on the second showup.

Mr. Ball.

If he did ask you questions, he--you don't recall what they were?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir; or what I said.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you take part in another showup?

Mr. Ables.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

When was that?

Mr. Ables.

That was later on that evening. I don't recall what time.

Mr. Ball.

Think it would be around 7:55 or 8 o'clock?

Mr. Ables.

Could have been; I don't recall.

Mr. Ball.

And who was in that showup with you?

Mr. Ables.

Myself, Oswald, and two prisoners.

Mr. Ball.

Four, again, were there?

Mr. Ables.

I believe so.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know the names of the prisoners?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

I have the names here. Richard Walter Borchgardt. Do you know whether he was there?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or Ellis Brazel?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You don't know him?

Mr. Ables.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Who asked you to take part in this showup?

Mr. Ables.

The same detective that was in charge of the showup said that he wanted me back in there.

Mr. Ball.

Had you been in the jail--had you been waiting in the jail during the time?

Mr. Ables.

Well; I performed my duties in the jail office.

Mr. Ball.

In between the showups?

Mr. Ables.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Well----

Mr. Ables.

The jail office adjoins the showup room.

Mr. Ball.

What were your hours of work that day?

Mr. Ables.

2:30 p.m. until 10:30 p.m.

Mr. Ball.

How were you dressed on the third showup?

Mr. Ables.

Same way.

Mr. Ball.

As you had been on the first and second?

Mr. Ables.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Were questions asked of you again?

Mr. Ables.

I don't believe it was asked on the third showup. I am quite sure there was no questions asked.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you on the third showup? What number?

Mr. Ables.

I was in my same position, No. 4.

Mr. Ball.

Where was Oswald?

Mr. Ables.

He was in his position No. 2.

Mr. Ball.

You were at no time handcuffed to Oswald?

Mr. Ables.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Can you tell me your height?

Mr. Ables.

About 5'9".

Mr. Ball.

What is your weight?

Mr. Ables.

Around 165 or something.

Mr. Ball.

And your hair?