Mr. Ball.

What was his name? Do you know? Was that Ables?

Mr. Clark.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What was your position in the showup?

Mr. Clark.

My right had was handcuffed to Oswald's left hand.

Mr. Ball.

Your right----

Mr. Clark.

To his left.

Mr. Ball.

To his left. Then who was next to Oswald?

Mr. Clark.

And my partner, W.E. Perry, was next to Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

Was he handcuffed to Oswald?

Mr. Clark.

Yes, sir; he was. Handcuffed his left hand to Oswald's right hand.

Mr. Ball.

What about Mr. Ables?

Mr. Clark.

Mr. Ables was standing to the left.

Mr. Ball.

Was he handcuffed?

Mr. Clark.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Ball.

Okay. We'll put that on. Now, did you have numbers in the showup as such? Have a number above each man?

Mr. Clark.

Yes; I believe we do.

Mr. Ball.

Now, facing the audience, if you were in the audience, were you numbered from left to right?

Mr. Clark.

Numbered from left to right.

Mr. Ball.

As you faced the audience?

Mr. Clark.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And as the audience faces you, it is right to left to the audience?

Mr. Clark.

The audience facing us it--well, it would be just opposite.

Mr. Ball.

Opposite, that's right. Now, as you faced the audience, who was the first one to the left?

Mr. Clark.

First one to my left?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Clark.

Be Ables.

Mr. Ball.

The No. 1 was Ables?

Mr. Clark.

No, sir; No. 1 was Perry.

Mr. Ball.

Who was No. 2?

Mr. Clark.

Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

Who was No. 3?

Mr. Clark.

Myself.

Mr. Ball.

Who was No. 4?

Mr. Clark.

Ables.

Mr. Ball.

And he stood to your right and faced the audience?

Mr. Clark.

No, sir; he stood to my left as I was facing the audience. The audience was looking at him, it would be----

Mr. Ball.

He stood on your left?

Mr. Clark.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

I see. Ables would be the No. 4 man?

Mr. Clark.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you the No. 3 man?

Mr. Clark.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Oswald was 2, your partner 1?

Mr. Clark.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did the detective in this first showup ask you any questions?

Mr. Clark.

Did the detective ask us?

Mr. Ball.

Yes, in the showup?

Mr. Clark.

No, sir; he didn't ask any questions.

Mr. Ball.

Now, back to the first showup, did the detective ask you any questions? Ask your name and address and occupation?

Mr. Clark.

Oh, in the showup?

Mr. Ball.

In the showup.

Mr. Clark.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did he ask you?

Mr. Clark.

He asked me my name.