Mr. Ball.

grinning and never did say anything. The woman said that it was not a grinning matter. I don't remember where I let this man off. This man looks like the No. 2 man I saw in a lineup tonight."
Now, you read that, didn't you?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you say he identified Oswald, he identified him as a man that he had seen before doing what--did he tell you?

Mr. Dhority.

No, I just asked him if he saw the man there that he picked up, and he said it was the No. 2 man.
I don't know whether you've talked to him or not.

Mr. Ball.

Yes, I have.

Mr. Dhority.

But to me, he is the type of person that the longer you talk to him--he just goes and he will try, to me, he will try to say, "Well, I'm sure it was," but then he would go on with something else.

Mr. Ball.

Well, what I want to know is this--he identified Oswald, but did he tell you where he had seen Oswald before and what Oswald had done?

Mr. Dhority.

Well, just like that affidavit there, he says he thought he picked him up down there close to the Book Depository on Elm.

Mr. Ball.

Did he tell you that? As he went out on Marsalis that some man on the bus had grinned at a woman when the woman mentioned that the President had been shot?

Mr. Dhority.

I don't know exactly for word to word--it's in the affidavit there.

Mr. Ball.

This is the story he told you that's in the affidavit; is that right?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes, sir; after he gave me the affidavit and we were walking back across the street to the bus, he said, "Well, I think he went out on Marsalis with me." He said, "He could have got off sooner."

Mr. Ball.

Well, I want to read this affidavit into the record. It says:
"The State of Texas, County of Dallas"
"Before me, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Cecil J. McWatters, 2523 Blyth, DA 1-2909, Dallas, Texas, Business Address: Dallas Transit Company.
"Who, after being by me duly sworn on oath deposes and says: Today, November 22, 1963, about 12:40 p.m. I was driving Marsalis Bus No. 1213. I picked up a man on the lower end of town on Elm around Houston. I went on out Marsalis and picked up a woman. I asked her if she knew the President had been shot and she thought I was kidding. I told her if she did not believe me to ask the man behind her that he had told me the President was shot in the temple. This man was grinning and never did say anything. The woman said that it was not a grinning matter. I don't remember where I let this man off. This man looks like the #2 man I saw in a line-up tonight. The transfer #004459 is a transfer from my bus with my punch mark."
Is that about what McWatters told you?

Mr. Dhority.

That's what he told me when I was taking the affidavit from him. Like I say, when I was walking back across the street with him to the bus he said he wasn't for sure that he did ride down on Marsalis.

Mr. Ball.

Now, on this same night, did you show him this transfer No. 004459?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Issued by the Dallas Transit Co.?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And what did he tell you about that?

Mr. Dhority.

He said it was definitely a transfer that he issued and showed me his punch that he carried and he matched the punch on the transfer.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did Captain Fritz give you some rifle shells to deliver to somebody?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

About what time of the night or day was that?

Mr. Dhority.

I don't recall when it was, but, from his office there I took them up to the crime lab.

Mr. Ball.

Were there three spent 6.5 rifle shells, is that right?

Mr. Dhority.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you return any shells to Captain Fritz?