Mr. Boyd.

Ellis Carl Brazel [spelling] B-r-a-z-e-l.

Mr. Ball.

That's [spelling] B-r-a-z-e-l--just one "1"?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

He was No. 3 and what is his description?

Mr. Boyd.

He was born November 24, 1941, and it shows him to be 5' 10", 169 pounds, green eyes, blond hair, ruddy complexion.

Mr. Ball.

What was he in for?

Mr. Boyd.

I think he was in for tickets.

Mr. Ball.

You mean, going too fast--speeding?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir; I believe that's right, or having some overdue tickets--he could have been in for something else, but that's what I think he was in for.

Mr. Ball.

And Don Ables is the fourth man?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

He was the No. 4 man in the first two shows, too?

Mr. Boyd.

This shows him to be 5' 9", 165 pounds.

Mr. Ball.

What do you have Oswald down for?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't have his description down, but I think he told me he was 5' and 8" or 9" and weighed 140-something pounds--I believe that is what he told me.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know what happened to Borchgardt?

Mr. Boyd.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Ball.

Or to Brazel?

Mr. Boyd.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, in this showup, the third showup, was Oswald's manner any different than it had been the first two showups?

Mr. Boyd.

I don,'t recall it being any different.

Mr. Ball.

Did he shout, yell, or anything of the sort?

Mr. Boyd.

I don't believe, because when he got back upstairs there, he started talking to Mr. Clements again and he didn't get upset.

Mr. Ball.

How long did he talk to Mr. Clements? This last time?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, let's see---he didn't talk to him but for about half an hour.

Mr. Ball.

Then, after that what happened?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, after Mr. Clements left well, in a few minutes Detective Johnny Hicks and R. L. Studebaker from the crime lab came down to the office, that's Captain Fritz' office, and Detective Hicks fingerprinted Oswald and Sgt. Pete Barnes came in, and shortly afterward Capt. George Doughty came down and stayed just a few minutes and went back up, and he left out and I don't know where he went.

Mr. Ball.

What did Barnes do?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, he helped Johnny Hicks make some paraffin casts of Oswald's and the right side of his face.

Mr. Ball.

You were there when that happened?

Mr. Boyd.

I was in and out--I was in more than I was out. I was in and the time that was going on.

Mr. Ball.

Then what happened--what did you do after that?

Mr. Boyd.

About 11:30 Mr. Sims and I made out some arrest sheets on Lee Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

And where was Oswald then?

Mr. Boyd.

He was still up in the homicide office.

Mr. Ball.

Did you question him again?

Mr. Boyd.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you do after that?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, shortly after that Chief Curry and Captain Fritz came in, and Chief Curry asked us to take Lee Oswald back down into the assembly room and to take him out in front of the showup stage, and he told us not to let anyone get near to him or touch him---if they did---if anyone even tried it, to take him immediately to jail.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do then?

Mr. Boyd.

We went down there and stayed, I'll say, 5 minutes or so.

Mr. Ball.

What happened when you stayed the 5 minutes-describe what you did?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, there was a bunch of news reporters down there.