(Testimony of Elmer L. Boyd)
Mr. Boyd.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Oswald said he had not?
Mr. Boyd.
He said he had not been to Mexico.
Mr. Ball.
And what did Hosty say to that?
Mr. Boyd.
He asked him if he denied being to Mexico City--I've just for-gotten--it wasn't too awful long before that--I don't recall just exactly what time that he said--I know it was something recent.
Mr. Ball.
What did Oswald say?
Mr. Boyd.
He said he had not been there.
Mr. Ball.
Do you remember anything else that was said?
Mr. Boyd.
No, sir; right offhand--I don't.
Mr. Stern.
Did he ask him anything about Russia?
Mr. Boyd.
Yes, sir; something was asked him--I don't recall who asked him about that, and he told us about going over to Russia, I believe he was there in 1959, or something like that--about 1959. I'll tell you, I didn't keep notes in there because of the fact I was sitting right beside Oswald--right in front of him--more or less.
Mr. Ball.
Did anybody keep notes?
Mr. Boyd.
I saw the FBI man writing--they had a little book--across the table over there.
Mr. Ball.
Did you have any microphones in there to record the conversation?
Mr. Boyd.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Do you as a practice record the interrogations of your prisoners?
Mr. Boyd.
No, sir; we don't.
Mr. Ball.
How long did this take how long was he questioned at this time?
Mr. Boyd.
Let me see---we took him down to the first showup right after 4 o'clock, I think I have the exact time here 4:05 is when we left.
Mr. Ball.
Was he in Captain Fritz' office from the time you took him in there what time was that?
Mr. Boyd.
At 2:15---2:20.
Mr. Ball.
From 2:20 until 4 o'clock?
Mr. Boyd.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Now, you took him into the first showup, did you?
Mr. Boyd.
Yes, we left Captain Fritz' office at 4:05.
Mr. Ball.
Who picked the men to go in the showup with him?
Mr. Boyd.
Who picked the men?
Mr. Ball.
Yes.
Mr. Boyd.
I don't recall who picked those men.
Mr. Ball.
Did you?
Mr. Boyd.
No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. Ball.
Did Sims?
Mr. Boyd.
I don't recall if he did--I don't recall who picked those men.
Mr. Ball.
Who were the men in this showup?
Mr. Boyd.
Well, one of them's names was--we call him Bill Perry, his name is William E. Perry, he's a police officer and he was No. 1; and we had Lee Oswald, was No. 2; and R. L Clark was No. 3; and Don Ables was No. 4.
Mr. Ball.
The No. 4 man was a clerk there in the jail, was he?
Mr. Boyd.
I believe he was a clerk down in the Jail office.
Mr. Ball.
IS it usual to have police officers show up with prisoners?
Mr. Boyd.
Well, I have seen them in there before--I mean--it isn't done real often.
Mr. Ball.
It's unusual to use officers to showup with prisoners?
Mr. Boyd.
Well, I would say so, but I know that there has been officers.
Mr. Ball.
Is that usual to use Don Ables, the clerk, in a showup?
Mr. Boyd.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
It is unusual?
Mr. Boyd.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
The usual thing is to have other prisoners come in handcuffed with the suspect, isn't it?
Mr. Boyd.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Do you know why that wasn't done in this case?
Mr. Boyd.
No; I do not.
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