Mr. Boyd.

All right.

Mr. Ball.

On this morning of November 22, you had been ordered to work early; why was that?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, President Kennedy was coming into Dallas and I was assigned to work with Captain Fritz and Detective Sims out at the Trade Mart.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you hear that the President had been shot?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes; I heard that.

Mr. Ball.

You heard that over the radio, didn't you?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, I believe it was around 12:40 when Chief Stevenson called and he talked to Captain Fritz out at the Trade Mart and he told him that--Captain Fritz told me that Chief Stevenson told him that the President had been involved in an accident down at the triple underpass and was on his way to Parkland.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go over there?

Mr. Boyd.

When we got out of the car, we checked, I believe, with--Mr. Sims called in on the radio and they told us he had been shot and we went to Parkland Hospital and pulled up to the emergency and saw there were a lot of people out there, but we saw Chief Curry out in front of the emergency there and he advised us to go back down to the scene of where we thought the shooting had occurred, down at the Texas Book Depository, and Mr. Sims and Captain Fritz and Sheriff Decker was also out there, and he rode back down with us.

Mr. Ball.

And you went to the School Depository Building, did you?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you were told by Chief Curry to go to the School Depository Building at that time?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes; down at the scene and that's where we had heard that they thought that the shot came from--from the Texas Book Store.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you when you first heard that?

Mr. Boyd.

We were at the Trade Mart when we heard that--pulling out--we were on our way to Parkland Hospital from the Trade Mart, pulling out in the car.

Mr. Ball.

Now, when you arrived down here at the building, what did you do?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, we went outside the building and we made two or three stops going up, you know, at different floors, and when we got up to the top floor--I believe it was the top one I think it's the seventh floor, and someone called us and said they had found some hulls, rifle hulls, down on the sixth floor, I believe it was the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

And you were with whom at that time?

Mr. Boyd.

I was with Captain Fritz and Detective Sims.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go down to the sixth floor?

Mr. Boyd.

We stopped at the sixth floor--you say, did we go down to the sixth floor?

Mr. Ball.

When you heard that they found some hulls, just tell us what you did.

Mr. Boyd.

We went down to the sixth floor and found the hulls over on the southeast corner of the building and they had some books, I suppose it was books--boxes of books stacked up back over there that way.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the hulls on the floor?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anything else around there where the hulls were on the floor?

Mr. Boyd.

Well, over to the west there was some paper sacks, and I think some chicken bones up on top of some boxes.

Mr. Ball.

That was west?

Mr. Boyd.

Right; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Near the windows?

Mr. Boyd.

Yes, sir; they were near the windows.

Mr. Ball.

How far west from where the hulls were located?

Mr. Boyd.

Oh, I would say roughly between 30 and 40 feet, probably.

Mr. Ball.

Where, with reference to the rows of windows--there are pairs of windows---how many pairs of windows away from where the hulls were located did you see the paper sack and chicken bones?

Mr. Boyd.

Let me see I don't recall just how many rows of windows from