Mr. Westbrook.

I was facing the audience--I would be on the right side.

Mr. Ball.

Facing the audience---that would be on the right side?

Mr. Westbrook.

I was on the right side.

Mr. Ball.

And if you were facing the screen you would have been on the left?

Mr. Westbrook.

I would have been on the left.

Mr. Ball.

The man that was pointed out to you was sitting next to the aisle, were facing the screen?

Mr. Westbrook.

Well, he was sitting in the middle row of seats, and I don't know just exactly which---it was the third or fourth row from the back, it seemed like.

Mr. Ball.

And near what aisle?

Mr. Westbrook.

He was about the middle of the aisle.

Mr. Ball.

He was about the middle of the aisle?

Mr. Westbrook.

Yes; about the middle of the aisle. So, about the time I reached the first step or maybe the second step, I noticed then Officer McDonald---of course, the stage was still dim, but I could tell it was McDonald. I know him. He used to work for me when I was radio patrolman, and I seen him go down the aisle and this boy come up and made a contact, and they started struggling.

Mr. Ball.

You say "the boy come up," what did he do?

Mr. Westbrook.

He got up from the seat and they started fighting.

Mr. Ball.

Were the lights on in the theatre?

Mr. Westbrook.

Very dim ones; the picture was still running, but the lights were on very dim.

Mr. Ball.

They started fighting--what sort of fighting did you see?

Mr. Westbrook.

Well, I know that I seen Oswald swing at McDonald and McDonald grab him.

Mr. Ball.

Oswald swung with which arm, would you say?

Mr. Westbrook.

I would say it would be his left fist, because from the way he was sitting facing me I would say it would be his left fist.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you see?

Mr. Westbrook.

Well, the next thing, of course, then I started running and there was probably six or seven officers that just converged on him just like that. Barrett was, I think, directly behind me in the aisle he got there at the same time I did.
I yelled about two or three times, "Has somebody got his gun," and finally some officer--I don't know which one it was--says, "Yes; I have the gun."

Mr. Ball.

Were you close enough to hear anything said by either McDonald or anyone else?

Mr. Westbrook.

I heard Oswald say something about police brutality--Oswald yelled something about police brutality.

Mr. Ball.

When McDonald first approached the man in the seats did you hear McDonald say anything?

Mr. Westbrook.

I probably couldn't have heard this, Mr. Ball, from where I was.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear the man say anything?

Mr. Westbrook.

The word "brutality" or "police brutality" and I think that was just all he yelled--was said while I was in the aisle walking down to the group. There was about six or seven ahold of him at that time.

Mr. Ball.

Were the handcuffs on him at the time you arrived?

Mr. Westbrook.

They were putting the handcuffs on him--they had one handcuff on one hand and they were trying to find the other one, and they were having difficulty in locating it because there were so many hands there.

Mr. Ball.

How many officers were there?

Mr. Westbrook.

In fact--that was one of the only humorous things about whole thing--somebody did get ahold of the wrong arm and they were twisting it behind Oswald's back and somebody yelled--I remember that, "My God, you got mine." I think it was just an am that come up out of the crowd that somebody grabbed.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any police officer strike Oswald?

Mr. Westbrook.

No; I did not.