Mr. Ball.

No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

That is the one he had out there that day?

Mr. Ball.

Who had it out there?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Some Secret Service man.

Mr. Ball.

He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt then before?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Had you ever seen the shirt before that?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Well---

Mr. Ball.

Have you?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

No; he had it on, though.

Mr. Ball.

Who had it on?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

Oswald had it on?

Mr. Bledsoe.

Oswald had it on.

Mr. Ball.

Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]?
I remember that.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me what you see there?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.

Mr. Ball.

You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?

Mr. Bledsoe.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What about the color?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Well, I---What do you mean?

Mr. Ball.

Well----

Mrs. Bledsoe.

When he had it on?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Before he was shot? Yes; I remember it being brown.

Mr. Ball.

You remember the shirt being brown. Was it this color?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes; it was that color.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, when you remember that you have seen something before---

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Ball.

In order to convince me that you did see it before you've got to tell me what there is about it that is the same, you see. Now, you try to convince me, or tell me why it is that you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when you saw him on the bus?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Well, I would say it was. That hole---

Mr. Ball.

Mostly the hole in the right sleeve?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

What about the color?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes; I remember the color.

Mr. Ball.

That is a similar color, isn't it?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

No; same color.

Mr. Ball.

Same color?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Ball.

You think that is the shirt?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Yes; it is the shirt.

Mr. Ball.

Had you ever seen him wear this shirt before, when he was around your house?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

No.

Mr. Ball.

First time you ever saw the shirt was when you saw him on the bus?

Mrs. Bledsoe.

Uh-huh.