Mr. Ball.

About what time?

Mr. Dougherty.

At about 12:40---it was about 12:40.

Mr. Ball.

Had you heard any shots before that?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes---I heard one---it sounded like a backfire.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you when you heard that shot?

Mr. Dougherty.

I was on the fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

You were on the fifth floor?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, When you left your lunch, did you go to the fifth floor or the sixth floor to go back to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY. I went on the fifth floor when I was getting ready to go down to eat lunch.

Mr. Ball.

Yes; and then what happened?

Mr. Dougherty.

Well, at that time--I was about 10 feet away---

Mr. Ball.

Wait a minute---did you hear the shots before or after you had your lunch?

Mr. Dougherty.

Before---before I ate my lunch.

Mr. Ball.

You heard shots before you ate your lunch?

Mr. Dougherty.

Let's see---yes, I believe I did.

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, you remember having your lunch, do you?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember after you had your lunch, you went back to work that day?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

When you talked on the day this accident happened, on the 22d of November 1963, in a statement made to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and, Mr. Dougherty, you told them you went down to the first floor to eat your lunch?

Mr. Dougherty.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

And that you went back to work?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you told him on the 19th day of December, Mr. Johnson, that you went back to work on the sixth floor, and as soon as you arrived on the sixth floor, you went down to the fifth floor to get some stock?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir; that's right.

Mr. Ball.

And while you were on the fifth floor, you heard a loud noise?

Mr. Dougherty.

That's right---it sounded like a car backfiring.

Mr. Ball.

. And did you hear more than one loud explosion or noise?

Mr. Dougherty.

No; that was the only one I heard.

Mr. Ball.

You only heard one?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And where did it sound like it came from?

Mr. Dougherty.

It sounded like it came from overhead somewhere.

Mr. Ball.

From overhead?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

How did you get to the fifth floor?

Mr. Dougherty.

Elevator.

Mr. Ball.

You were on the fifth floor when you heard this, were you?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Which elevator did you take?

Mr. DOUGHERTY. Well, you see, there's one on this side and one on this side the one on this side is the one I took.

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, "The one on this side and the one on this side," doesn't mean much when it's written down.

Mr. Dougherty.

Well, I know it.

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me whether it was the east side or the west side elevator?

Mr. Dougherty.

East side.

Mr. Ball.

Is it the one that you punch a button on?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or the one that you use a control on?

Mr. Dougherty.

It's the one you push a button on.