Mr. Givens.

I say, "It's near lunch time."
He said, "No, sir. When you get downstairs, dose the gate to the elevator." That meant the elevator on the west side, you can pull both gates down and it will come up by itself.

Mr. Belin.

What else did he say?

Mr. Givens.

That is all.
Mr. BELIN. What did you say to that? Did you Say you would close the elevator gate, or not say anything?

Mr. Givens.

I said, "Okay," and got on the elevator.

Mr. Belin.

What elevator did you take down?

Mr. Givens.

I taken this one.

Mr. Belin.

The east elevator?

Mr. Givens.

The east elevator.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether or not when you got down to the first floor, the west elevator was there?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir; it wasn't, because I looked over there to close the gate and it wasn't there.

Mr. Belin.

It wasn't there when you got down to the first floor?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir; it wasn't.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know where it was?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Belin.

What time was this?

Mr. Givens.

Well, I would say it was about 5 minutes to 12, then because it was---
Mr. BELIN. Now what did you do when you got down there on the first floor?

Mr. Givens.

When I got down to the first floor Harold Norman, James Jarman and myself, we stood over by the window, and then we said we was going outside and watch the parade, so we walked out and we stood there a while, and then I said, "I believe I will walk up to the parking lot."
I had a friend that worked on the parking lot, right on Elm and Record.

Mr. Belin.

Elm and Record Streets?

Mr. Givens.

Elm and Record Streets; yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. That would be one block to the east of the corner of Elm and Houston ?

Mr. Givens.

That's right.

Mr. Belin.

All right, then, what did you do?

Mr. Givens.

I stood around over there and went up on the corner.

Mr. Belin.

What corner?

Mr. Givens.

Up on Main and Record. That is where I watched the President pass right there.

Mr. Belin.

Who else was there with you that you knew?

Mr. Givens.

James and Edward Shields.

Mr. Belin.

Is that the same person, James Edward?

Mr. Givens.

Edward Shields and James.

Mr. Belin.

Two other people?

Mr. Givens.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

You watched the motorcade together?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do after you watched the motorcade?

Mr. Givens.

We turned and started back down to the parking lot.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Givens.

Then when we heard the shots, by the time we got along in sight across in front of the Record Building, then we heard the shots.
Mr. BELIN. I want to backtrack a minute before we come to the shots. When did you eat lunch?
Mr. GIVENS. When did I eat lunch? I ate lunch after. Lets see, no; I ate lunch before I went up there, because I stood outside and ate my sandwich standing out there.

Mr. Belin.

You ate your lunch outside?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir. Standing in front of the building.

Mr. Belin.

In front of what building?

Mr. Givens.

Texas School Book.