Dr. Mcclelland.

Dr. Malcolm Perry, Dr. Charles Baxter, Dr. Charles Crenshaw, Dr. James Carrico, Dr. Paul Peters.

Mr. Specter.

Were they all present at the time you arrived?

Dr. Mcclelland.

They were not present when I arrived.

Mr. Specter.

Will you start with the ones who were present?

Dr. Mcclelland.

Starting with the ones who were present, I'm sorry, the ones who were present when I arrived were Drs. Carrico, Perry and Baxter. The others I mentioned arrived subsequently or about the same time that I did.

Mr. Specter.

Then, what other doctors, if any, arrived after you did, in addition to those whom you have already mentioned?

Dr. Mcclelland.

In addition, the ones that arrived afterwards, were Dr. Kenneth Salyer.

Mr. Specter.

S-a-l-y-e-r?

Dr. Mcclelland.

S-a-l-y-e-r, Dr. Fouad, F-o-u-a-d Bashour, Dr. Donald Seldin-----

Mr. Specter.

S-el-d-i-n?

Dr. Mcclelland.

S-e-l-d-i-n--I believe that's all.

Mr. Specter.

What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition at that time?

Dr. Mcclelland.

Well, on initially coming into the room and inspecting him from a distance of only 2 or 3 feet as I put on a pair of surgical gloves, it was obvious that he had sustained a probably mortal head injury, and that his face was extremely swollen and suffused with blood appeared cyanotic

Mr. Specter.

"Cyanotic"---may I interrupt-just what do you mean by that in lay terms?

Dr. Mcclelland.

This mean bluish discoloration, bluish-black discoloration of the tissue. The eyes were somewhat protuberant, which is usually seen after massive head injuries denoting increased intracranial pressure, and it seemed that he perhaps was not making, at the time at least, spontaneous respiratory movements, but was receiving artificial respiration from a machine, an anesthesia machine.

Mr. Specter.

Who was operating that machine?

Dr. Mcclelland.

The machine---there was a changeover, just as I came in, one of the doctors in the room, I don't recall which one, had been operating what we call an intermittent positive pressure breathing machine.

Mr. Specter.

Had that machine been utilized prior to your arrival?

Dr. Mcclelland.

It was in use as I arrived, yes, and about the same time I arrived----this would be one other doctor who came in the room that I forgot about----Dr. Jenkins, M. T. Jenkins, professor of anesthesiology, came into the room with a larger anesthesia machine, which is a better type machine with which to maintain control of respiration, and this was then attached to the tube in the President's tracheotom; anyway, respiratory movements were being made for him with these two machines, which were in the process of being changed when I came in.
Then, as I took my post to help with the tracheotomy, I was standing at the end of the stretcher on which the President was lying, immediately at his head, for purposes of holding a tracheotom, or a retractory in the neck line.

Mr. Specter.

What did you observe, if anything, as to the status of the neck wound when you first arrived?

Dr. Mcclelland.

The neck wound, when I first arrived, was at this time converted into a tracheotomy incision. The skin incision had been made by Dr. Perry, and he told me---although I did not see that---that he had made the incision through a very small, perhaps less than one quarter inch in diameter wound in the neck.

Mr. Specter.

Do you recall whether he described it any more precisely than that?

Dr. Mcclelland.

He did not at that time.

Mr. Specter.

Has he ever described it any more precisely for you?

Dr. Mcclelland.

He has since that time.

Mr. Specter.

And what description has he given of it since that time?

Dr. Mcclelland.

As well as I can recall, the description that he gave was essentially as I have just described, that it was a very small injury, with clear