Mr. Belin.

Sergeant, do you remember anything else that you said?

Mr. Harkness.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you actually talk to any other person whose name you recorded in your little book there?

Mr. Harkness.

Yes, sir; Arnold Rowland.

Mr. Belin.

Arnold Rowland?

Mr. Harkness.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did he say?

Mr. Harkness.

He said that he saw a man on one of those floors. He didn't clearly identify it, as he saw a man with a high-powered rifle walking around up there.

Mr. Belin.

Did he say anything else that you could have recorded there?

Mr. Harkness.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else you remember?

Mr. Harkness.

Except his address. I have his address as 3026 Hammerly.

Mr. Belin.

Did he say anything else?

Mr. Harkness.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Is there anything else that happened that day that might in any way be relevant to this investigation?

Mr. Harkness.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do on Saturday?

Mr. Harkness.

Saturday I was assigned to traffic at Elm and Houston, between Elm and Main.

Mr. Belin.

Is there anything else that you did on Saturday or on Sunday that might in any way be relevant to this area of inquiry?

Mr. Harkness.

On Saturday had a large crowd down there, and I observed Jack Ruby at the entrance of the jail down there on Saturday.

Mr. Belin.

You saw Jack Ruby near the entrance of the jail on Saturday?

Mr. Harkness.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Has your statement already been taken by anyone before on the President's Commission?

Mr. Harkness.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

But you did see Jack Ruby?

Mr. Harkness.

I testified in Ruby's trial to that effect.
Mr. BELIN. Anyone else or anything else that might be in any way relevant here?
Mr. HARKNESS. The only thing, on Sunday I was leaving town; going to Whitesboro, and my wife and kids, we heard over the radio that Oswald had been shot.
When I arrived in Whitesboro, I called Capt. Fritz of the Dallas Police Department, and told him that I had seen Ruby near the entrance of the county jail the day before, which was a Saturday.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else?

Mr. Harkness.

That is all.

Mr. Belin.

But did you ever talk to Ruby at any time afterwards?

Mr. Harkness.

No, sir: not afterwards.

Mr. Belin.

Did you know Ruby at all, or not?

Mr. HARKNESS. I had met him, and being downtown traffic sergeant, I had seen him before, and I knew who he was, but other than that, that is all.
Mr. BELIN. Is there any other thing you can think of, whether I have asked it or not, that might in any way be relevant to the investigation of the assassination or the shooting of Officer Tippit?
Mr. HARKNESS. No, sir; I don't have anything on that, other than what I heard over the radio.
Mr. BELIN. By the way, did your witness ever say whether the person he saw at the window was a white man or Negro?
Mr. HARKNESS. He just told me, he just said he couldn't identify him. That is what he told me.

Mr. Belin.

Did he tell you whether or not it was a man?
Mr. HARKNESS. I don't remember, because I knew I couldn't get any information out of him, enough to put out a description on it.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else?