Mr. Ball.

Freight train was going through at the time?

Mr. White.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Making noise?

Mr. White.

Yes, sir; noisy train.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. White, Mr. Foster was on the east side of the overpass?

Mr. White.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

This deposition will be written up and submitted to you for your signature if you wish. to sign it, or you can waive your signature. Which do you wish to do?

Mr. WHITE. You said a while ago to him it would be written up like this? Is that correct?

Mr. Ball.

. No, it will be written up in the form of a deposition.

Mr. White.

I will waive.

Mr. BALL. You waive it. Okay. Fine.
Joe E. Murphy

Testimony of Joe E. Murphy

The testimony of Joe E. Murphy was taken at 9:50 a.m., on April 8, 1964, in the office of U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Will you raise your right hand and be sworn?
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before the Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Murphy.

I do.

Mr. Ball.

Will you state your name and address for the record?

Mr. Murphy.

Joe E. Murphy, 2509 Winthrop; (spelling) W-i-n-t-h-r-o-p, Drive.

Mr. Ball.

And what is your occupation?

Mr. Murphy.

Police officer.

Mr. Ball.

. How long have you been with the Department?

Mr. Murphy.

I am in my 21st year.

Mr. Ball.

With the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. MURPHY, Yes,

Mr. Ball.

Where were you born?

Mr. Murphy.

Dallas.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go to school?

Mr. Murphy.

High school--St. Joseph High School here in Dallas.

Mr. Ball.

You went all through school here in Dallas, did you?

Mr. Murphy.

Yes, sir; that's right.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after you got out of high school?

Mr. MURPHY. Well, I played pro baseball for about 2 years, Class D---West Texas and New Mexico League. After that I went to work for the Humble Oil and Refining Co. in Baytown. I was down there about 2 years and came back to
Dallas and then I went to work on the police force.

Mr. Ball.

And you have been there ever since?

Mr. Murphy.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You are a patrolman, are you?

Mr. Murphy.

That's right.

Mr. Ball.

Do you have a three-wheeler?

Mr. Murphy.

A three-wheeler---yes.

Mr. Ball.

On November 22, 1963, did they assign you to some post?

Mr. Murphy.

Yes, I was assigned to the overpass--the Stemmons Freeway overpass northbound at Elm Street---over Elm.

Mr. Ball.

What instructions did you have?

Mr. MURPHY. It was to keep anyone and everyone off of the overpass and to keep traffic moving until the motorcade arrived.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you have a map here which you have drawn for us to show