Mr. Brown.

School Book Depository.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any pigeons flying around the building?

Mr. Brown.

I just don't recall that; no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Which way did you look when .you heard the sound?

Mr. BROWN. When I first heard. that sound I looked up toward that building because actually it seemed to come from there.

Mr. Ball.

Where was it you saw the pigeons rise?
Mr. BROWN. They must have been down there feeding at that time because they just seemed to all take off.

Mr. Ball.

Where were they from where you were standing?

Mr. BROWN. From where I was standing they would be about half way between---no, they would be up more toward that other overpass, what they call the triple underpass.

Mr. Ball.

The triple underpass?

Mr. Brown.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You were about 100 yards from the triple underpass?

Mr. Brown.

Approximately; yes.

Mr. Ball.

Was there anybody standing on the triple underpass?

Mr. Brown.

On the triple underpass?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Brown.

Yes, sir; they had at least two officers.

Mr. Ball.

Anybody but police officers?

Mr. Brown.

Not that I know of. I didn't recall anyone.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after you heard the shots?

Mr. BROWN. Well, let me see, by that time the escort as to the motorcycles, we could see them coming, the front part of the motorcade, I don't think they probably realized what happened; they had come on ahead. And then we saw the car coming with the President, and as it passed underneath me I looked right down and I could see this officer in the back; he had this gun and he was swinging it around, looked like a machinegun, and the President was all sprawled out, his foot on the back cushion. Of course, you couldn't conceive anything that happened; of course, we knew something had happened, but we couldn't conceive the fact it did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you move out of there in any direction?
Mr. BROWN. No, sir; we, well, we checked there; the area, we kept checking that area through there and, of course, there were people all over the place but we didn't allow anybody up on the railroad right-of-way through there.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody standing on the triple underpass at the point where Elm goes underneath?

Mr. Brown.

Uh-uh, I couldn't recall; no one except police officers.

Mr. Ball.

More than one?

Mr. Brown.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you search any part of the area?

Mr. BROWN. We were instructed to stay at our posts, which we did, and later we got instructions to check the area around the Depository, Book Depository Building, and to obtain the license numbers of all those cars parked around there, which we did.

Mr. Ball.

Where were any cars parked?

Mr. Brown.

Well, there's a parking lot around that building and there was several cars parked all around that building.

Mr. Ball.

You took the license numbers?

Mr. BROWN. Yes; in fact, I think there must have been four or five officers taking license numbers.

Mr. Ball.

How long were you around there?
Mr. BROWN. Well, we stayed and then they sent us back to the overpass and we stayed there until, let's see, I don't believe we left there until about 3:30 or 4 in the afternoon, and then we came up to the half and Mr. Sorrels, I believe talked to us.

Mr. Ball.

I think that's all, officer. This will be written up and you can take it, read it, and sign it if you wish, or you can waive your signature, just as you wish. Which do you wish?

Mr. BROWN. You mean today?