Mr. Belin.

the sidewalk on Elm Street, on the south side of Elm, and there were still people that were milling around and shuffling around. When the second shot broke, like I say, a lot of people started running, some people still stood but a lot of people started running. Uh--and then when the third shot went off, we just almost reached the curb and then just as the limousine went under the triple underpass, we got to the street--Elm Street--where we could actually see uh--well---where the shots had gone, and--uh--we ran across the street where there were a man, his wife and two children laying on the ground. Now, that was on the north side of Elm Street about halfway between Houston and the triple underpass and we ran down there where this man and his wife and two boys were. Someone was helping them up off the ground, and the man said at that time that the President had been shot.
And, after that, we stood there for 10 or 15 seconds and then we ran up to the top of the hill there where all the Secret Service men had run, thinking that that's where the bullets had come from since they seemed to be searching that area over there. They jumped off-out of cars and ran up the side of the hill there and onto the tracks where these passenger--freight cars were.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else that you remember?

Mr. Fischer.

(Pausing before reply.) No.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do after that, then?

Mr. FISCHER. After that, we went back up to the building where we work--the records building--and went on upstairs to the office. And that's where Bob and I separated and--he had some things to do---I think he had some stuff that had to go down to another office and he left. After we got up there, he got some paper and then left. I stayed there for a little while and---
Mr. BELIN. Well, first of all, about when did you get back to the records building do you feel?
Mr. FISCHER. Uh--it must have been 5--5 minutes after the first shot was fired. Something like that.
Mr. BELIN. All right. When you went back there, did you walk by the front of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. FISCHER. No; when we went back, we came we went back the same way we came. We went straight across Elm and then up to Houston on the south side of Elm, and then crossed.
Mr. BELIN. Did you notice whether or not people were going in or coming out of the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. FISCHER. There seemed to be a lot of people around--uh--the front; but, of course, there were a lot of people all over the street.
Mr. BELIN. All right. You got back up to the building--the records building--and then what did you do?
Mr. FISCHER. Well, as I said, we went up to the fourth floor to our office. Uh---I stayed there for 5 or 10 minutes. Bob had left. And then I went next door in the purchasing department where they've got a radio. I was trying I didn't---I don't guess I really believed yet that it had happened--that the President had been shot. And--uh--I was trying to find out on the radio just
exactly what did happen.
And I stayed in the purchasing department 5 minutes or so--well, 5 or 10 minutes, and then I went back down the hall where some people had a radio standing out in the hall. They had another station on, and still nobody knew anything. Then, I went back to the office about--oh, maybe 5 or 10 minutes till 1, and--uh--we heard a bunch of sirens, police cars, and leaned out the window, and police cars were all surrounding the Texas School Book Depository Building. And when I saw all that and saw the detectives in the window, the officers, I knew that--I realized that the shots--that they must have the assassin in there or the man who did the shooting--or something was wrong with the building.
So, I realized then that it possibly was the man I saw since he was the only one I remember in a window and that it had something to do with the building--that it's possible that the man I saw had something to do with it.
About that time a deputy from the sheriff's office came up and asked me if I was Ronald Fischer, and I said, "Yes ;" and he said that Sheriff Decker wanted to see me in his office right now.