Mr. Belin.

Mr. COUCH. No; no one knew. People were watching it---that is, watching it carefully and walking around it and pointing to it. Uh--just as I ran up, policemen ran around the west corner and ran--uh--northward on the side of the building. And my first impression was that--uh--that they had chased someone out of the building around that corner, or possibly they had wounded someone. All the policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around those shrubs around that west corner and--uh--you would think that there was a chase going on in that direction.
Again, the reason that I didn't follow was because A. J. had come up, and my first concern was to get back with the President.
Mr. BELIN. This pool of blood--about how far would it have been north of the curbline of Elm Street as Elm Street goes to the expressway?

Mr. Couch.

I'd say--uh--well, from Elm Street, you mean, itself?
Mr. BELIN. Yes. This is from that part of Elm Street that goes into the expressway

Mr. Couch.

I'd say--uh---50 to 60 feet, and about 15 feet or 10 to 15 feet from the corner of the Texas Depository Building.

Mr. Belin.

It would have been somewhere along that park area there?

Mr. Couch.

Right.

Mr. Belin.

Was there anything else you noticed by this pool of blood?

Mr. Couch.

No. There were no objects on the ground. We looked for something. We thought there would be something else, but---

Mr. Belin.

There was nothing?

Mr. Couch.

Huh-uh.

Mr. Belin.

Now, this A.J.---?

Mr. Couch.

L'Hoste. That's "L" apostrophe.
Mr. BELIN. Yes; I have that. I have made a note of the spelling, along with the phonetic sound.
Do you know if he got any pictures of the south side of the School Book Depository?

Mr. Couch.

No; I don't recall what he got--as I recall--now, I may be wrong, this is a guess---that he did not take any pictures.

Mr. Belin.

He did not take any?

Mr. Couch.

No.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know of anyone that took any pictures of the south side of the School Book Depository Building, particularly the front entrance of the building, shortly after the assassination?

Mr. Couch.

No; only what I have seen in Time magazine.

Mr. Belin.

Only what you've seen in Time magazine?

Mr. Couch.

Right.
Mr. BELIN. Now, did you ever know or hear of Lee Harvey Oswald before any of this?

Mr. Couch.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Have you ever met Jack Ruby?

Mr. Couch.

No.
Mr. BELIN. There is an FBI report that states that you had heard hearsay statements that someone had seen Jack Ruby emerge from the rear of the Texas School Book Depository Building around that time. Did anyone ever tell you that?

Mr. Couch.

Yes. Uh--where I first heard it, I could not now recall; but--uh--the story went that--uh--Wes Wise, who works for KRLD----

Mr. Belin.

TV?
Mr. COUCH. Yes--saw him moments after the shooting--how many moments, I don't know--5 minutes, 10 minute--coming around the side of the building, coming around the east side going south, I presume.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever talk to Wes Wise as to whether or not he actually saw this, or is this just hearsay?

Mr. Couch.

No; I didn't. This is just hearsay.
Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this: Is there any observation, other than hearsay, that you have about this entire sequence of events that you have not related here?