Mr. Couch.

Jackson, who was, as I recall, on my right, yelled something like, "Look up in the window! There's the rifle!"
And I remember glancing up to a window on the far right, which at the time impressed me as the sixth or seventh floor, and seeing about a foot of a rifle being---the barrel brought into the window. I saw no one in that window---just a quick l-second glance at the barrel.

Mr. Belin.

In what building was that?

Mr. Couch.

This was the Texas Book Depository Building.

Mr. Belin.

At the corner of Houston and Elm in Dallas?

Mr. Couch.

That's right.

Mr. Belin.

You said it was the sixth or the seventh floor. Do you know how many floors there are in that building---or did you know at that time?

Mr. Couch.

No; I didn't know at that time.
Mr. BELIN. Did it look like to you he was on the top floor or next to the top floor or the second to the top floor---or---

Mr. Couch.

It looked like it was the top. And when you first glance at the building, you're thrown off a little as to the floors because there's a ridge--uh, it almost looks like a structure added onto the top of the building, about one story above. So, you have to recount.
Of course, at the time, I wasn't counting, but---

Mr. Belin.

You just remember, to the best of your recollection, that it was either the sixth or seventh floor?

Mr. Couch.

That's right.

Mr. Belin.

And when you say, "the far right" ----

Mr. Couch.

That would be the far east.

Mr. Belin.

The far east of what side of the building?

Mr. Couch.

The south side of the building.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether or not that window at which you saw the rifle, you say, being withdrawn--first of all, could you tell it was a rifle?
Mr. COUCH. Yes, I'd say you could. Uh--if a person was just standing on the--as much as I saw, if the factors that did happen, did not happen, you might not say that it was a rifle. In other words, if you just saw an object being pulled back into a window, you wouldn't think anything of it. But with the excitement intense right after that third shot and what Bob yelled, my impression was that it was a rifle.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see anything more than a steel barrel of a rifle?

Mr. Couch.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Could you tell whether or not the rifle had any telescopic sight?

Mr. Couch.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any of the stock of the rifle?

Mr. Couch.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any person pulling the rifle?

Mr. Couch.

No.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether or not, if you can remember, the win dow was open or halfway open or what?
Mr. COUCH. It was open. To say that it was half or three-quarters open, I wouldn't say. My impression was that it was all the way open--but that was an impression.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see anything else in the window that you remember--

any boxes or anything like that?

Mr. Couch.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Belin.

You didn't notice whether there was or was not--or do you definitely remember that you did not notice any?

Mr. Couch.

No; I didn't notice anything.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any other people in any other windows in the building?

Mr. Couch.

Yes; I recall seeing--uh-some people standing in some of the other windows-about, roughly, third or fourth floor in the middle of the south side. I recall one---it looked like a Negro boy with a white T-shirt leaning out one of those windows looking up--up to the windows up above him.

Mr. Belin.

Uh-huh. Is there anything else you can remember about the building?