Mr. Lane.

I spoke with him one more time.

Representative Ford.

Since your return from Europe?

Mr. Lane.

No; I just arrived 2 days ago.

Mr. Rankin.

When was the last time you spoke to him about disclosing his name?

Mr. Lane.

I would think it was during April of this year.

Mr. Rankin.

When in April?

Mr. Lane.

I don't recall the exact date. When I was last in Dallas.

Mr. Rankin.

Can you give us a closer approximation than that?

Mr. Lane.

I really cannot. I believe it was in April; perhaps toward the middle of April, but I am not certain.

Representative Ford.

Was it by telephone?

Mr. Lane.

No; I saw him in person. I went down to see him.

Representative Ford.

You saw him in Dallas?

Mr. Lane.

Yes; well, near Dallas.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you consider, Mr. Lane, that you have cooperated with the Commission as much as you can in regard to both of these matters, Helen Markham and this informant?

Mr. Lane.

Yes; I think there is no question but that I have. Frankly, when I returned to the country, I had thought that it would be not difficult for me to make available to you all the documents regarding Mrs. Markham. I had planned to do that.
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Lane.

I felt that I would be able to be released from the attorney-client stricture so that I could do that. It was not until after I returned that I received a phone call from Mrs. Oswald, after she called you, related this new development in relationship to the Markhams, which has at this point handicapped my being able to secure permission to release that information. I had intended to do that.
I am hopeful that in the next few days it will be possible to give you that information, as I said earlier.

The Chairman.

Mr. Lane, you told us what your attorney relationship was, but, really, I did not understand it very clearly. Will you tell us what your present attorney relationship is that causes you to rely upon it in refusing to tell us about this recording that was made at the time of the conversation between you and Helen Markham?

Mr. Lane.

I don't have a present attorney-client relationship in relation to that particular matter. I, at that time, had been retained by Marguerite Oswald to investigate the charges against her son and peripheral matters, and in conformity and in furtherance of that retainer, I conducted an interview with Mrs. Markham.

The Chairman.

And----

Mr. Lane.

And that is one of the working documents in my possession.

The Chairman.

How does that become a peripheral matter---the conversation that you had with Mrs. Markham? What does that have to do with Mrs. Oswald?

Mr. Lane.

I secured that information on behalf of an attorney-client relationship when I was serving my client, Mrs. Oswald.

The Chairman.

But, Mr. Lane, you at that very time, when you claimed to be, and when you were, the attorney for Mrs. Oswald, you did come here and testify concerning that conversation with Mrs. Markham.

Mr. Lane.

Yes.

The Chairman.

Now, if you testified concerning it then, why can't you now tell us all the circumstances surrounding that? Why is your privilege any different now than it was then?

Mr. Lane.

I explained to Mrs. Oswald that I had been called to testify before the Commission as a witness, and that the information which I had secured I had secured on her behalf, and discussed with her what it is I was going to tell the Commission, and she agreed and gave me permission to testify before the Commission as I did.

The Chairman.

And since that time she instructed you not to testify?

Mr. Lane.

Since that time, just actually 2 days ago--or perhaps it was yesterday--