Mr. Dulles.

I didn't go in there.

Mr. Brian.

That is the door they brought Lee Oswald out of when he was shot, going into the jail office right there.

Mr. Rankin.

There are no stairs from the basement to the third floor?

Mr. Brian.

There are stairs inside of the basement but there are none out here, inside of the basement of city hall but none out here in the parking area.

Mr. Rankin.

Where are the stairs from the place where the elevators are that you took. Are there any stairs?

Mr. Brian.

I didn't take any stairs.

Mr. Rankin.

No. You say you took elevators.

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

Were there stairs near the elevators?

Mr. Brian.

Back right over--let me get a pencil and draw the whole thing for you. That is about the way it is situated right there.

Mr. Rankin.

Mr. Brian, we will call that Exhibit 839. Will you just briefly tell the Commission what you have done in making that exhibit now?

Mr. Brian.

All right, sir. I am not an artist. But we came down the ramp on Main Street, came around here to the parking area. Mr. Hosty was parked over here. There is a bunch of poles out there and I won't try to draw them in here.

Mr. Rankin.

Mark that "A" where Mr. Hosty was parked as you just indicated.

Mr. Brian.

All right. And he was coming this way and we were coming this way. We met him about in the middle of this ramp out here, and talked, and----

Mr. Rankin.

You were right alongside of Lieutenant Revill?

Mr. Brian.

Yes, sir; and they walked on off and I came back behind through here to these elevators and off here we caught the elevators and went on up.

Mr. Rankin.

How close were you when you came behind them?

Mr. Brian.

Just--I didn't keep a constant pace with them, but as far as--I don't recall exactly----

Mr. Rankin.

You were close to them, were you?

Mr. Brian.

Here is the stairway in the basement, there is one narrow stairway going up to the first floor, and you pass it and you go by the phone booth and a jail office and you pass the stairway, it is right over here in the basement of city hall.

Mr. Rankin.

And you were close to them as you went across there to take the elevator?

Mr. Brian.

I was behind them and they were going away from me and I was fairly close, yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin.

About how far?

Mr. Brian.

Probably 6 or 7 feet or 8 feet behind. When we got to the elevator and we all stopped there together and caught the elevator.

Mr. Dulles.

Where did the conversation take place, in front of the elevators there?

Mr. Brian.

That I heard?

Mr. Dulles.

Yes.

Mr. Brian.

Right out here, because Mr. Hosty started blurting it out just as soon as he started across here.

Mr. Dulles.

And you walked from this point here?

Mr. Brian.

Over to here, to the elevators.

Mr. Dulles.

Mark that point "B."

Mr. Rankin.

Where you met?

Mr. Dulles.

Where you met Hosty.

Mr. Brian.

OK.

Mr. Dulles.

And you walked along, make a mark there, if you would, along there to the elevators where you walked.

Mr. Brian.

That is not exactly that way, this is offset, you have to come over here to go up, it is not drawn exactly right, we walked across here to the elevators straight through.

Mr. Dulles.

How far is that, a hundred feet--no, less than that.

Mr. Brian.

It is much less than a hundred feet.

Mr. Dulles.

Fifty feet, something like that.

Mr. Brian.

Probably 60, 70 feet.