Mr. Jenner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Surrey.

And when Walker sat down at his desk, it went right through his head.

Mr. Jenner.

So he was seated on a chair substantially the height of the one you are seated on?

Mr. Surrey.

Yes, and he is approximately a little taller than I am.

Mr. Jenner.

He is a little taller than you are. So that would be about 4, 4 1/2 feet. Tell the Commission the distance from the wall, the point at which you have marked an "X" with a circle, and the place at which General Walker's chair was located.

Mr. Surrey.

I would say 18 inches.

Mr. Jenner.

He was that close?

Mr. Surrey.

To the wall there; yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

So that the representation you have made on Commission Exhibit No. 1014 is distorted?

Mr. Surrey.

Yes; it is. The desk was right up against the wall, and he was seated in the middle of the desk.

Mr. Jenner.

His chair was much closer to the wall than would appear to have been as you have roughly diagramed on Exhibit No. 1014?

Mr. Surrey.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. In other words, he was close enough to the wall when seated at that chair so that when a bullet penetrating the plaster wall could have splattered plaster into his hair?

Mr. Surrey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Proceed, sir.

Mr. Surrey.

So I went over and looked at his arm, and there was a piece of metal in one particular spot in his arm, that I noticed, in addition to the other scratches, and I went looking for some first aid equipment and found tweeze upstairs, and came back downstairs and picked that piece of metal and two others out of his right forearm.

Mr. Jenner.

And what was done with those pieces of metal?

Mr. Surrey.

They were--I believe the police took them.

Mr. Jenner.

But you recall that you, in fact, yourself took the pieces of metal from General Walker's right forearm?

Mr. Surrey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And--all right. Go ahead, sir.

Mr. Surrey.

Well, then it became just a matter of the police questioning the general and myself. I don't recall which detective or which policemen and myself went out in the back and looked in the back area.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that what you did next, after you took the metal out of General Walker's forearm?

Mr. Surrey.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You immediately went out of the house----

Mr. Surrey.

Not immediately; no. We talked. I would say within 2 or minutes.

Mr. Jenner.

But you did not go into any other room? That is what I am getting at first. You went outside first?

Mr. Surrey.

I don't recall if we went in the other room then or later on.

Mr. Jenner.

When you say the other room, it is the room opposite the one and to the left of the one shown on your diagram----

Mr. Surrey.

As I recall, I merely looked around the separation here when they said that the bullet came clear through into the other room.

Mr. Jenner.

Who said that?

Mr. Surrey.

One of the policemen.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you go around and look then?

Mr. Surrey.

I just looked around the doorway; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What did you find when you looked around--what did you see?

Mr. Surrey.

I saw these books stacked, as shown in this picture.

Mr. Jenner.

Identify the picture, please.

Mr. Surrey.

Exhibit No. 1009.

Mr. Jenner.

Had--you mentioned a bullet as having been found.