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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. V - Page 360« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Bernice Waterman)

Mr. Dulles.
And on this one, which is the copy in the Embassy files, the crossed out is above all three. It apparently was intended to be crossed out, the "have."
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)
Mr. Coleman.
We just thought the record should--you recall we asked Mr. Snyder a question about this, and he said he didn't know whether it was a typographical error, or just what the reason for it was.
Miss Waterman, would you be kind enough to look at the document in your file which is X-30, and could you look at the original, in the original State Department file?
Now, we have marked it as Commission Exhibit No. 977.
Now, the second page of the document that we have has inserted a sheet of paper called a passport office lookout file. Is that stamped physically on the back of the first page?
Miss WATERMAN. Yes.
Mr. Coleman.
That indicates that the document was received on July 19, is that correct? There is a stamp on there?
Miss WATERMAN. Yes; July 19.
Mr. Coleman.
There is another stamp on there, August 3, 1961.
Miss WATERMAN. Yes; I see that.
Mr. Coleman.
You also have the lookout file on the Passport Office, is checked under "No Lookout. (refusal) File Record."
Do you see that?
Miss WATERMAN. Yes; I see it.
Mr. Coleman.
Does this mean that when someone ordered a search of the lookout record file in July or August, 1961, that there was no lookout file record on Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss WATERMAN. Apparently so. That was probably done automatically. The records people probably did that.
Mr. Coleman.
This was prior to the time when you had made your decision there had been no expatriation, is that correct?
Miss WATERMAN,. I will have to look at this.
Mr. Coleman.
Your recommendation wasn't made until August 18, 1961.
Miss WATERMAN. That is what we were replying to. That is one of the communications that we were acknowledging, yes, that is right.
Mr. Coleman.
Well, should there have been a lookout card when the search was made in July 1961, on Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss WATERMAN. Well, I would say that if one were made, it would have been in there.
Now, I don't know that I always would have examined the reverse of every dispatch. If I had examined the reverse of that despatch, I probably would have noted it.
Mr. Coleman.
Well, what I am saying, as a result of the refusal sheet that you prepared in 1960, when the lookout section made the search on August 3, 1961, should there not have been a lookout file at that time on Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss WATERMAN. Are you talking about a lookout card?
Mr. Coleman.
A lookout card, yes.
Miss WATERMAN. A lookout card would only have referred to this file.
Mr. Coleman.
Yes.
Miss WATERMAN. Which we already had, and which we already determined had no evidence of expatriation.
Mr. Coleman.
I am suggesting that you did not make that determination until August 18, 1961.
Miss WATERMAN. Well, Mr. Coleman, the card itself would have been totally immaterial to the decision we made here, inasmuch as we had the entire file, and also our refusal--the refusal sheet would be in here.
As I said, that was not for expatriation. It was just to flag an adverse--possible adverse interest in the case.
Mr. Dulles.
But there has been testimony given here before, Miss Waterman,
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