Mr. Wade.

He was in the floor level in the middle. If I understand, that was the first or second time I had ever been in the room.
Senator COOPER. Were there people around him, surrounding him?

Mr. Wade.

People were on the floor in front of those desks.
Senator COOPER. But I mean, were they, were people on all sides of him?

Mr. Wade.

No; they were all in front of him. They were all in front of him, and you had a ring of policemen behind him, policemen on all sides of him. It was just the front where they were, and that is the way I recall it, but I knew they had a line of policemen behind him, and the place was full of policemen, because they went up and it turns out later they got all the police who
were on duty that night. They were plain clothes police, most of them, maybe they had a uniform or two, a few of them.
So they started----
Senator COOPER. Excuse me one moment.

Mr. Wade.

Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Can I make a statement? I will have to go to my office for a few minutes. I hope to return in about 20 minutes, and I will ask Mr. Dulles to preside in my place, and I will return.

Mr. Wade.

Thank you, sir.
(At this point, Senator Cooper withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. Dulles.

Proceed.

Mr. Rankin.

Will you proceed?

Mr. Wade.

Yes, sir; so they said, "Have you filed on him?" At that stage, yelling has he been filed on, and I said yes, and filed on for murder with and they asked Judge Johnston, is there--they asked him something.
Then they started asking me questions everywhere, from all angles.

Mr. Rankin.

Under your practice, what do you mean by file on him? Is that something different than an arraignment?

Mr. Wade.

Well, of course, it is according to the terminology and what you mean by arraignment. In Texas the only arraignment is when you get ready to try him. Like we arraigned Ruby just before we started putting on evidence. That is the only arraignment we have, actually.

Mr. Rankin.

I see. You don't bring him before a magistrate?

Mr. Wade.

Well, that is called--you can have an examining trial before the magistrate to see whether it is a bailable matter. At that time, I don't believe he had been brought before the magistrate, because I told David Johnston as we left there, I said, "You ought to go up before the jail and have him brought before you and advise him of his rights and his right to counsel and this and that," which, so far as I know, he did.
But at that meeting you had two attorneys from American Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Rankin.

Which meeting?

Mr. Wade.

That Friday night meeting, or Friday night showup we had better call it, midnight on Friday night. I believe it was Greer Ragio and Professor Webster from SMU. I saw them there in the hall, and Chief Curry told me that they had been given an opportunity or had talked with Oswald. I am not sure. I was under the impression that they had talked with them but, of course, I didn't see them talking with him.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you talk to them about it?

Mr. Wade.

Yes; I told them that he is entitled to counsel, that is what they are interested in on the counsel situation, and anybody, either them or anybody else could see him that wanted to.

Mr. Rankin.

What did they say then?

Mr. Wade.

Mr. Rankin, I will tell you what, there was so much going on I don't remember exactly. The only thing was I got the impression they had already talked with them somewhere, but I don't know whether they told me or the chief told me or what. Like I say, it was a mob scene there, practically, and they were standing in the door when I--they were in the meeting there.
Let me get a little further and go back to--I don't know whether I answered your question and if I don't it is because I can't, because I don't know--I will tell you what happened the next day.

Mr. Rankin.

Let's finish with the showup now.