The Chairman.

or employees of Federal, State, or local government or officials of a foreign government, (c) who express or have expressed strong or violent anti-U.S. sentiments and who have been involved in bombing or bomb making or whose past conduct indicates tendencies toward violence, and (d) whose prior acts or statements depict propensity for violence and hatred against organized government."

Mr. Dulles.

Do I understand you, Mr. Belmont, to say, as drafted you would not consider that defectors automatically fell under this paragraph 2, but it is your practice to notify the Secret Service about defectors?

Mr. Belmont.

We do notify Secret Service of any defectors coming to our attention.

Mr. Dulles.

And by defectors, I guess we mean here maybe a redefector, meaning those who have gone to Russia and have come back or maybe those who have gone and not come back.

Mr. Belmont.

If they haven't come back----

Mr. Dulles.

They are not a danger.

Mr. Belmont.

They are not within our cognizance and we don't notify Secret Service.

Mr. Dulles.

These would be defectors who have gone to the Soviet Union and who then come back to the United States and tried to defect while they were over there.

Mr. Mccloy.

Not necessarily, not exclusively the Soviet Union, of course.

Mr. Dulles.

Communist countries, I would say.

Representative Ford.

Just to get an order of magnitude, how many are there? Is this a sizable number?

Mr. Belmont.

I don't have a figure, Mr. Ford. You have had defectors in Korea from the military. You have had defectors----
Mr. McCLOY Germany.

Mr. Belmont.

Berlin. When these are military personnel they are within the cognizance of the military, so that it is very difficult for me to give you a figure.
When we become interested is when they return to this country and warrant action by us from an internal security standpoint.
As in the Oswald case, we started our action based on newspaper publicity that he had attempted to or indicated his intention to, renounce his citizenship in Moscow. But I do not have a figure because many of these people are members of the armed services and I would hesitate to give you an estimate.

Mr. Stern.

Mr. Belmont, do these terms "subversives, ultrarightists, racists, and Fascists" have a particular meaning of art in FBI parlance? Can you tell us how you use these terms in this regulation or what these mean to you and to your agents.

Mr. Belmont.

I will have to refer you to the dictionary, I think, Mr. Stern. A subversive is an individual who is active in the Communist Party or front groups associated with it or one of the other groups that we term subversive, such as the Socialist Workers Party.
The ultrarightists----

Mr. Dulles.

Socialist Workers Party is a Trotskyite Party, is it not?

Mr. Belmont.

Yes, sir.
The ultrarightists, I believe here we attempt to spell out those people who are so far to the right that they do not consider themselves subject to the law and the proper procedures, and take things into their own hands.
The racists, I think, are that speaks for itself, individuals who will go beyond the bounds of propriety in seeking their goals, and who adopt violence.
The Fascists----

Mr. Mccloy.

I was wondering how you were going to define that one.

Mr. Belmont.

Is to give you the opposite end of the spectrum of subversives.

Mr. Dulles.

Do we have anarchists in this country at the present time? There used to be an old anarchist society in the old days.

Mr. Belmont.

That used to be, but it is dissolved. There is no organization. I venture to say we have individual anarchists at this time.

Mr. Dulles.

No organized anarchist organization.

Mr. Belmont.

No.