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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. V - Page 195« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Mr. Jack Ruby)

Mr. Moore.
Well, I am assigned to the Commission, Jack.
Mr. Ruby.
The President assigned you?
Mr. Moore.
No; my chief did. And I am not involved in the investigation. I am more of a security officer.
Mr. Ruby.
Boys, I am in a tough spot, I tell you that.
Mr. Moore.
You recall when I talked to you, there were certain things I asked you not to tell me at the time, for certain reasons, that you were probably going to trial at that time, and I respected your position on that and asked you not to tell me certain things.
Mr. Ruby.
But this isn't the place for me to tell what I want to tell.
Mr. Moons.
The Commission is looking into the entire matter, and you are part of it, should be.
Mr. Ruby.
Chief Warren, your life is in danger in this city, do you know that?
Chief Justice WARREN. No; I don't know that. If that is the thing that you don't want to talk about, you can tell me, if you wish, when this is all over, just between you and me.
Mr. Ruby.
No; I would like to talk to you in private.
Chief Justice WARREN. You may do that when you finish your story. You may tell me that phase of it.
Mr. Ruby.
I bet you haven't had a witness like me in your whole investigation, is that correct?
Chief Justice WARREN. There are many witnesses whose memory has not been as good as yours. I tell you that, honestly.
Mr. Ruby.
My reluctance to talk---you haven't had any witness in telling the story, in finding so many problems?
Chief Justice WARREN. You have a greater problem than any witness we have had.
Mr. Ruby.
I have a lot of reasons for having those problems.
Chief Justice WARREN. I know that, and we want to respect your rights, whatever they may be. And I only want to hear what you are willing to tell us, because I realize that you still have a great problem before you, and I am not trying to press you.
I came here because I thought you wanted to tell us the story, and I think the story should be told for the public, and it will eventually be made public. If you want to do that, you are entitled to do that, and if you want to have it verified as the thing can be verified by a polygraph test, you may have that, too.
I will undertake to do that for you, but at all events we must first have the story that we are going to check it against.
Mr. Ruby.
When are you going back to Washington?
Chief Justice WARREN. I am going back very shortly after we finish this hearing--I am going to have some lunch.
Mr. Ruby.
Can I make a statement?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes.
Mr. Ruby.
If you request me to go back to Washington with you right now, that couldn't be done, could it?
Chief Justice WARREN. No; it could not be done. It could not be done. There are a good many things involved in that, Mr. Ruby.
Mr. Ruby.
What are they?
Chief Justice WARREN. Well, the public attention that it would attract, and the people who would be around. We have no place there for you to be safe when we take you out, and we are not law enforcement officers, and it isn't our responsibility to go into anything of that kind.
And certainly it couldn't be done on a moment's notice this way.
Mr. Ruby.
Well, from what I read in the paper, they made certain precautions for you coming here, but you got here.
Chief Justice WARREN. There are no precautions taken at all.
Mr. Ruby.
There were some remarks in the paper about some crackpots.
Chief Justice WARREN. I don't believe everything I read in the paper.
Mr. Moore.
In that respect, the Chief Justice is in public life. People in public life are well aware they don't please everyone, and they get these threats.
Incidentally, if it is the part about George Senator talking about the Earl
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