Mr. Specter.

I would like to have that marked as Commission Exhibit No. 872 and move for its admission into evidence.

The Chairman.

It may be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 872 for identification, and received in evidence.)

Mr. Specter.

Without specifying all of the details, Inspector Kelley, are the followup car and the Presidential car generally similar in dimensions?

Mr. Kelley.

Yes; they are. There are very few, of course, seven-passenger convertible cars in existence, and these are specially--these cars are specially built for us by the Lincoln--the Ford Motor Co., and the followup car by the General Motors Co.

Mr. Specter.

Would you describe what seating arrangements are present in each of those cars in between the permanent front seat and the permanent rear seat?

Mr. Kelley.

There are two jump seats that can be opened up for riders in each of the cars. In the Presidential followup car, these jump seats are usually occupied by Secret Service agents.
In the President's car, they are occupied by the President's guests.
On the day of the assassination, of course, the jump seats were occupied by Mrs. Connally and Governor Connally.

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Kelley, have you brought with you two photographs depicting the interior of the President's car?

Mr. Kelley.

I have. These are photographs of the interior of the President's car which is known to us as 100-X.

Mr. Specter.

May it please the Commission, I would like to mark one of these photographs as Commission Exhibit No. 873, and move its admission into evidence.

The Chairman.

It may be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 873 for identification, and received in evidence.)

Mr. Specter.

I would like to mark the second photograph as Commission Exhibit No. 874 and move, also, its admission into evidence.

The Chairman.

It may be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 874 for identification, and received in evidence.)

Mr. Specter.

Would you describe briefly what Exhibit No. 873 depicts, please?

Mr. Kelley.

Exhibit No. 873 is a photograph of the interior of the rear section of the 100-X, the President's car, showing the seating arrangement in the car and the jump seats are in an open position.

Mr. Mccloy.

As of what time were these photographs taken?

Mr. Kelley.

I am sorry, Commissioner. I don't know just when those photographs were taken. They were taken some time in the last 2 years.

Mr. Specter.

As to Exhibits Nos. 873 and 874, do they accurately depict the condition of the President's car as of November 22, 1963?

Mr. Kelley.

They do, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Would you describe briefly what Exhibit No. 874 shows?

Mr. Kelley.

Exhibit No. 874 is another photograph of the car taken from the rear, and it shows the relative positions of the jump seats in an open position as they relate to the back seat of the car.

Mr. Specter.

So that the record may be clear, which Commission number has been given to the diagram of the President's car?

Mr. Kelley.

The President's car is Exhibit No. 872.

Mr. Specter.

And the followup car diagram is what?

Mr. Kelley.

Exhibit No. 871.

Mr. Mccloy.

Do you know whether these photographs were taken before or after the assassination?

Mr. Kelley.

Before the assassination.

Mr. Dulles.

Did the car that you used for this test---did that car have the seat lifting capacity that I understand the President's car had?

Mr. Kelley.

No; it did not, sir. I might say that there is in the Commission's records photographs of the President's car after the assassination, showing the condition of it after the assassination, at the garage.

Mr. Specter.

On the President's car itself, what is the distance on the right