Mr. Eisenberg.

We are just talking now about the shape, of course. We will be getting into composition later.

Mr. Stombaugh.

No, sir; I cannot think of anything else at this time.

Mr. Eisenberg.

In your opinion, would the blanket have made a secure package wrapped in the way and manner that it appeared to you?

Mr. Stombaugh.

Yes, sir; it would have. With the crease at fold "A," had it been folded down, it would have made a very snug and secure package containing some type of item in it.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, Mr. Stombaugh, was there anything about the string, Paine Exhibit 2, which would make an identification possible?

Mr. Stombaugh.

No, sir; the string is just common white cotton string. It is found in most stores throughout the country, and used for, well, many uses. There is nothing distinctive about the string itself which could be traced as to manufacturer or any definite use it was made for.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Any distinctive accidental markings on it?

Mr. Stombaugh.

No; I found none.

Mr. Eisenberg.

What kind--was it tied in a knot?

Mr. Stombaugh.

Yes, sir; it was tied in a granny knot, and also a bow knot.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Could you illustrate that for us? You are holding up a piece of string?

Mr. Stombaugh.

This is another piece of string, not the original.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Not the original.

Mr. Stombaugh.

A granny knot is a common knot, tied with two simple thumb knots. It is a very hard knot to open as opposed to the boy scout knot, or the square knot rather, which is tied in this manner. This knot is very easy to open because all one has to do is to pull one free end of it and the other free end slides out.

Mr. Eisenberg.

You are referring to the so-called "boy scout" knot?

Mr. Stombaugh.

It is actually not a boy scout knot but a square knot.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And you tie that left over right, right over left, is that the formula?

Mr. Stombaugh.

Yes; left over right and right over left.

Mr. Eisenberg.

How do you spell that, by the way?

Mr. Stombaugh.

G-r-a-n-n-y.

Mr. Eisenberg.

The granny knot, Mr. Stombaugh, is this a common or an uncommon knot?

Mr. Stombaugh.

It is a very common knot. I believe that knot is tied more than any other knot because it is right over right, right over right, and it is usually used by people wrapping packages who want it tied securely so the package will not come open.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you say there was also a bow knot?

Mr. Stombaugh.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Could you illustrate that?

Mr. Stombaugh.

This is the type of knot we use when we tie our shoe strings. It is made by forming a loop with the one free end, and wrapping the other free end around it and pulling it through.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Is that a hard or an easy knot to slip out, Mr. Stombaugh?

Mr. Stombaugh.

This is very easy, because you just take one of the loose ends and pull it and the knot falls apart.

Mr. Eisenberg.

What was the relationship between the granny knot and the bow knot?

Mr. Stombaugh.

I don't know. I have seen this numerous times, on numerous different occasions when one would either tie a granny knot or a square knot and follow it up with a bow knot. The granny knot would be to secure the package so it would not come loose. The bow knot is a temporary knot tied by one who wants the string to come off easily.
Now why they would tie a granny knot and follow this up with a bow knot I don't know, unless they had some long loose ends which they wanted to slacken up, shorten up, rather, so as they would not be hanging down.

Mr. Eisenberg.

The Exhibit Paine No. 2 is tied into a knot at this point. Can you tell us what kind of a knot that is?