Mr. Mandella.

You did not, other than giving me the photographs.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did I tell you that any of these prints might be Lee Harvey Oswald's?

Mr. Mandella.

You made no indication as to that it could have been his.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Do you know now, apart from your own identification, have you acquired any information at this point, subsequent to your identification but prior to your appearance here, as to these prints, other than your own identifications?

Mr. Mandella.

I have no knowledge as to what has been done with these prints at all by anyone.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Are you absolutely sure as to each of these identifications, Mr. Mandella?

Mr. Mandella.

I am positive.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Mandella, are you familiar with the contention of some persons that 12 points are needed for identification of finger or palm prints?

Mr. Mandella.

No I am not, no. Positive identifications are effected by the expert himself; 12 points are not necessary. A sufficient amount determined by the expert is the important factor.

Mr. Dulles.

About how many? Have you any test as to how many points?

Mr. Mandella.

I can't give a definite number, but I'd say in generalities five or six or seven points certainly should be enough, depending on their uniqueness and frequency.

Mr. Eisenberg.

What is the lowest number to which you have testified in court, Mr. Mandella.

Mr. Mandella.

The lowest that I can recall I ,testified to, five points.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Was there a conviction secured in that case?

Mr. Mandella.

Yes; there was. Of course, I don't recall if the fingerprint was the thing that caused the conviction, but it was part of the testimony.

Mr. Dulles.

In most of these cases where you have made an identification, have there been more than five points of identity?

Mr. Mandella.

Well, it seems to run between, somewhere between 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11, and in some cases more. It depends on how much of the finger or palm that you have, how many characteristics are contained in that area.

Mr. Dulles.

My question was directed to the specific prints that you have, photographs of prints that you have examined.

Mr. Mandella.

Yes; it usually verges on 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

Mr. Dulles.

In the cases of these identifications that you have made?

Mr. Mandella.

Oh, no. Some---we have many more characteristics in some of these identifications here today.

Mr. Eisenberg.

I think Commissioner Dulles is referring to cases previous to this.

Mr. Dulles.

I was referring to both. First I was asking you in general how many do you consider are necessary, and secondly how many did you find in these particular cases that you have examined in the Oswald case?

Mr. Mandella.

Oh. Would you like me to----

Mr. Eisenberg.

Do you have that information?

Mr. Mandella.

Yes.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Fine.

Mr. Mandella.

Of course these characteristics that I point out are the ones that I see and in some cases there is a few more, but these are the ones that are very definite and outstanding.
On the gun barrel, I forget the Commission exhibit number, there was 11 points of identity.

Mr. Eisenberg.

That is 658?

Mr. Mandella.

Commission Exhibit 658. There was 11 points of identity on that particular palmprint.

Mr. Dulles.

That is exactly what I wanted.

Mr. Mandella.

Yes; now the brown wrapping paper bag, Commission's Exhibit 659----

Mr. Eisenberg.

There is 659-A and B here. The one you have marked "left index Oswald"?

Mr. Mandella.

Is that A?