Mr. Fain.

don't. I haven't seen it for over a year and a half, and I just don't recall exactly how that came.

Representative Ford.

But the only reason for such an interview was the fact that the son had gone to Russia and either defected or attempted to do so; was that the basis of the investigation?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir. We wanted to find out the circumstances and about these funds and any information we could ascertain and, of course, it is always important in this type of case to find out whether or not any of these---especially intelligence agents or anyone like that might contact these people and try to get information from them. We try to get these people to let us know if anything like that happens.

Representative Ford.

That was really the purpose of the interview or investigation you conducted?

Mr. Fain.

Let me see if I can find out. In this paragraph 4 there is an indication----

Representative Ford.

Paragraph 4 on what page?

Mr. Fain.

Paragraph 4 on page 2. "He stated he had no contact in any manner or form with any individual known to him to be a Soviet official or affiliated in any way with Soviet establishments. He also advised that as far as he knows neither his mother or other members of his family had had any contact whatsoever with Soviet officials or with Soviet establishments." I explained to him the jurisdiction of the FBI, that the FBI had jurisdiction in internal security matters in the United States, and Robert told me that he would immediately contact the FBI in the event he was contacted by Soviet officials. Then I also asked him, as is contained in that final paragraph on the same page, "Oswald stated that neither he nor his mother as far as he knew had been requested to furnish any items of personal identification to Lee Oswald in Russia. He said he would immediately contact the FBI in the event any information like that came to his attention."

Representative Ford.

These were the only interviews you had with either one of them?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; at that time, yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Can I ask a question?

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you have one at any other time?

Mr. Fain.

These were the first interviews. We will get to those later. Do you want to go into those?

Mr. Mccloy.

Never mind. We will get to those in due course. But wasn't the touch-off on this investigation the fact that a transfer order or an attempted remittance was being sent to Oswald in Russia by his mother?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

That was the thing that prompted the inquiry, wasn't it?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; that is right.

The Chairman.

Senator.
Senator COOPER. Yes.
Did Mrs. Oswald give you any reason for her statement she would not have been surprised if Lee Oswald had gone to Cuba or some South American country? Did she explain that statement?

Mr. Fain.

No; she didn't. She just--of course, she was all upset and bothered by his having gone to Russia, and she expressed great surprise that he had gone to Russia, and she said just casually or during the course of the conversation she wouldn't have been surprised for him to have gone, say, to South America or to Cuba, but to go to Russia, she was totally surprised and taken aback.
Senator COOPER. She didn't give you any reason why she would not have been surprised----

Mr. Fain.

No; she didn't go into that.
Senator COOPER. Whether he had said anything about Cuba or South America.

The Chairman.

All right, Mr. Fain. Do you have other questions?

Mr. Stern.

I have other questions for him. I thought we might break it up in the order of his reports.

The Chairman.

Go right ahead.

Mr. Stern.

One last question at this stage, Mr. Fain: Did Mrs. Oswald indicate