Mr. Bouck.

and we concurred, felt that the individual, at least at any particular time, that this particular individual was not really in fact a menace to the President's life.

Mr. Dulles.

What was the location of these 50,000 cases? We are talking now about Dallas, is that countrywide?

Mr. Bouck.

Countrywide.

Mr. Mccloy.

International.

Mr. Bouck.

It is worldwide over a period of 20 years.

Mr. Dulles.

Yes. Somebody in Thailand, if he was in Thailand wouldn't be of much danger in Dallas.

Mr. Stern.

But he would, as I understand it, sir, be included in the basic files if he had come to their attention as a potential danger.

Mr. Dulles.

Someone in New Orleans, for example, he could get up to Dallas very quickly or if he were in Houston, but this 50,000 covers the whole world.

Mr. Stern.

Yes; and I think the important point here, Mr. Dulles, is that these are 50,000 cases of background information, including people already investigated and found not to represent danger. The number of cases under active scrutiny at the time of Dallas amounted to about 400, who were reviewed periodically, plus a much larger number, in the thousands, of persons committed or imprisoned, and as to those, I expect there would be no problem until they were released.

Mr. Bouck.

That is right.

Mr. Stern.

And you had a system to be notified about the release or escape, is that correct?

Mr. Bouck.

That is correct.

Mr. Dulles.

So can we get from that about the number of cases you felt to look at in connection with the President's trip to Dallas?

Mr. Bouck.

We actually----

Mr. Dulles.

What range would that be?

Mr. Bouck.

We actually looked at a volume of cases approximating 400 in connection with the trip to Dallas.

Mr. Stern.

Well----

Mr. Bouck.

That is the total file that we looked into.

Mr. Stern.

On a national basis?

Mr. Bouck.

The total two or three files we looked into would encompass about that many people.

Mr. Dulles.

All right. That gives me just what I was asking for.

Mr. Stern.

In point of fact, Mr. Bouck, when you looked at the checkup control file and the trip-index file before the Dallas trip how many names were reported for the areas in the Dallas field office territory where the President was to visit?

Mr. Bouck.

We found no uncontrolled people in the trip file for Dallas. All of the cases in Dallas were controlled to our satisfaction. We found also in the checkup file no uncontrolled individuals that we thought warranted an alert for Dallas.

Mr. Dulles.

Did you ask the FBI or any ether local agency for any cases they might have?

Mr. Bouck.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

In connection with the trip?

Mr. Bouck.

In fact, they referred several cases to us in connection with the trip, right prior to the trip on the local level.

Mr. Dulles.

On the local level?

Mr. Bouck.

On the local level.

Mr. Mccloy.

Being as objective as you can be under the circumstances, what would you have done if the FBI had told you there was a man named Oswald in Dallas, who was a defector, had been a defector?

Mr. Bouck.

I think if they had told us only that, we probably would not have taken action. If I might qualify it further, if we had known what all of the Government agencies knew together, and knew that he had that vantage point on the route, then we certainly would have taken very drastic action.

Mr. Mccloy.

If they had told you that there was a man named Oswald in