Mr. Stern.

You might mention, perhaps, Mr. Bouck, the cases under the last tab of your exhibit which were cases that were not investigated, just as a contrast.

Mr. Bouck.

That is right. These referrals from the FBI are all through here. Page 8 is another one where they picked up information and gave it to us. The first four sections relate to the cases in the four offices of Texas during a 2-year period. The very final one illustrates just a little sample of the kind of cases we received in Texas which we did not think warranted investigation. That will give you an idea of what those cases amounted to. Why we didn't go into them.

Mr. Mccloy.

Let me ask you this: Are your records and equipment modern in the sense that you have got punchcards on all these, have you got the type of equipment that you would think that extensive files and extensive information and quick access to them might be very important. Do you have IBM machines and do you have punchcards, for example, so that you can have quick cross references?

Mr. Bouck.

No, sir. Our files are conventional, card indexes, conventional folders. We do not have machine operation in that sense.

Mr. Mccloy.

Don't you think that with all this mass of information that comes in that that would be an asset to you?

Mr. Bouck.

If I might defer to Mr. Carswell again, I believe that is in the document you are handling, discussion of that, am I right, Mr. Carswell, or in the studies that are going on.

Mr. Carswell.

Yes.

Mr. Bouck.

This is part of this big overall consideration again.

Mr. Mccloy.

It just seems to me this is almost a typical case of where that type of thing can do you a great deal of good. You have it in industry to a very marked degree. I wonder whether it could be I don't know enough about the flow of these things.

Mr. Bouck.

This is under a great deal of consideration as a part of this post-Dallas study that Mr. Carswell referred to and I am quite sure that it will be contained in the final results.

Mr. Mccloy.

Very well. Go ahead.

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask one question in that connection? You say at the bottom of the page, this introductory table page, that the total exceeded 32,000 items.

Mr. Bouck.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

Does that mean now you have cards on 32,000 people?

Mr. Bouck.

Oh, no; we have cards on close to a million people.

Mr. Dulles.

A million people?

Mr. Bouck.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

This total then is 1-year total?

Mr. Bouck.

This is a 2-year total--no, wait a minute. I beg your pardon.

Mr. Mccloy.

1963.

Mr. Bouck.

This is a l-year total for 1943, 1-year total for 1953, and 1-year total for 1963.

Mr. Dulles.

That is just the number, and these figures are cumulative that you have here?

Mr. Bouck.

No; everyone is a year.

Mr. Dulles.

That is what I mean, you have the total you have to add this up for previous years, but you don't keep them forever, you take some of these out.

Mr. Bouck.

These are not all cards, but these are items of information. In 1-year cases we might get 40, 50 items in a particular case, and these items would go in the case files.

Mr. Dulles.

Do you know how many names you have carded now, approximately?

Mr. Bouck.

We have not counted them but we think in the vicinity of a million but they are not all active, you see. We have no way of knowing when people die in some cases and things like that. So we don't know just how many of these million are now active. Certainly very much less than a million.