Mr. Dulles.

Did you consider there is any duplication there, I mean of facilities in government?

Mr. Bouck.

No; I think not. This really requires bodies, and if there is----

Mr. Dulles.

And skills?

Mr. Bouck.

Yes; and if, once in a while a special skill is required that we do not possess then we turn to another agency to help us.
No. 9, determination of feasibility of application, establishment of specifications for procurement, and assistance in maintaining operation of a wide variety of electronic and technical protective aids. These are alarms, both for hazards, intrusion, and all sorts of dangers where a mechanical or electronic device can augment personal services.

Mr. Dulles.

Could I just ask on that, do you have arrangements, say, with the FBI, CIA and others to keep abreast of the art, as it were?

Mr. Bouck.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

I have in mind that time when we discovered the Russians had developed a new device and applied it in the Embassy in Moscow, you may recall which was quite novel, when they put in a hollow cavity inside the shield of the Great Seal of the United States, and then they could beam on that and they could listen to conversations in the room. That type of thing, you would be following that up through the FBI or through the CIA?

Mr. Bouck.

Very much so, yes.
We have rather low resources in those areas so the other agencies in the areas of research and development and hardware help us continuously and very well.

Mr. Stern.

Now these, Mr. Bouck, as I understand it, are the functions of PRS which it has in addition to its main responsibility, and would you describe that just briefly and we will get to that in a minute.

Mr. Bouck.

Yes, the other responsibility that is not listed here, is the responsibility of attempting to detect persons who might intend harm to the President, and to control those persons or take such, corrective measures as we can take securitywise on them.

Representative Ford.

I am not sure I understand that.

Mr. Bouck.

This is an effort to detect people who might intend to harm the President, people who make threats against the President, people who do things that indicate they may intend to harm him, and the various sort of things we do to see that they do not accomplish that, to prevent them from accomplishing them.

Mr. Dulles.

Does your particular office maintain the central files for your agency?

Mr. Bouck.

For this function?

Mr. Dulles.

For this function.

Mr. Bouck.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

I mean if the FBI sent in to the Secret Service a name or a description of a particular man, or a particular area that would be filed in your office?

Mr. Bouck.

That is right.

Mr. Dulles.

Do you file that alphabetically, by location or how do you develop those files?

Mr. Bouck.

The information in its file jackets is filed numerically but it is indexed alphabetically and by location as well as by certain other characteristics that may help us find it.

Mr. Mccloy.

To come back to this matter of bugging again, do you feel that you are thoroughly well equipped, which is a repetition perhaps of what Mr. Dulles asked, Mr. Dulles' question, do you have an expert staff that know this business and that keep up to date with the developments in the area, and that can constantly keep your equipment in shape?

Mr. Bouck.

Yes; I think so. I think we, our contacts with the intelligence community in this area are very excellent. Our people are excellent. I think our big problem has been one of enough resources.

Mr. Mccloy.

How many bodies have you got in this field?

Mr. Bouck.

I have three bodies devoted entirely to it, myself and my assistant have also had years of experience, and we devote part-time to this, which makes approximately four and a half full time bodies.