Mr. Ball.

What did you tell him?

Mr. Fritz.

I told him we didn't want to transfer him yet. We wanted to talk to him some more. We talked a little bit. He didn't actually want him transferred. He just was more or less talking about whether or not we wanted to transfer him.

Mr. Ball.

Now on Saturday Decker called you and asked you to transfer him?

Mr. Fritz.

On Saturday did he call me and ask me to transfer him?

Mr. Ball.

Yes, that would be the 23d.

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; he did not.

Mr. Ball.

Did Chief Curry tell you that Decker had called or anything of that sort?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; when I was talking to Chief Curry on one of those conversations, I don't think it is the conversation now when he told me about the hours, I think it is another conversation, I told him, I said, "I don't know whether we were going to transfer him or Decker was going to transfer him," and Chief Curry said, "We are going to transfer him, I have talked to Decker, we are going to transfer him."

Mr. Ball.

When were the plans for the transfer made?

Mr. Fritz.

When were the plans made?

Mr. Ball.

Yes; do you know?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't know about that. The only thing I know is what I told you about when the chief told me about would he be ready by 10 o'clock that morning, and I told him I thought we could.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't make the plans yourself?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

They were made by the chief?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; they were made by the chief.

Mr. Ball.

When did the chief first tell you what the plans were?

Mr. Fritz.

That was on the 23d. He didn't tell me about all the plans, of course, at that time because I told you when he came up to tell us about that, when he asked when we were ready to go he told me about the armored car, that is the first I had ever heard of that.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever tell any of the press the time that Oswald would be moved?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; I don't believe I did. I was interrogated by a bunch of them as I started to leave the office on the night of the 23d. As we started to the elevator, a group of us from my office, and some of the FBI officers, we started to the elevator some 10 or 20 reporters came up and said the chief said we were going to transfer him at 10 o'clock the next morning and if we were and I didn't talk to them so I don't think I ever said much if anything to them because I know one of them followed me almost to my parking lot, I know, asking me questions about the transfer.

Mr. Ball.

At 11:15 when they left your office, do you know whether or not there was any broadcast over your radio as to your movements?

Mr. Fritz.

On our radio?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

I wouldn't know.

Mr. Ball.

Or on any radio, were there any radio broadcasters on your floor at that time?

Mr. Fritz.

Any of those newsmen?

Mr. Ball.

Newsmen?

Mr. Fritz.

Oh, yes; they might not have been on the floor but they were all down in the basement. You are talking about the morning of the 24th?

Mr. Ball.

On the morning of the 24th when you were moving?

Mr. Fritz.

Any number of them downstairs. I don't remember whether there were any upstairs or not. There probably was maybe a few of them because I don't think there was any time when there wasn't a few of them up there, but we didn't leave through that hall and go through the elevator. We went through the mail elevator.

Mr. Ball.

On the 22d and 23d, the third floor was full of newspapermen and photographers?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; all the time, completely full.