Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; he did not. Not with me he didn't.

Mr. Dulles.

Not with you?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir. He just, the fact he just didn't talk about them much. He just didn't say hardly anything. When I asked him he didn't say much about them.

Mr. Mccloy.

You knew Officer Tippit?

Mr. Fritz.

I wanted to tell you one thing before I forget. One time I asked him something about whether or not, either I asked him or someone else in there asked him, if he thought he would be better off, if he thought the country would be better off with the President killed and he said, "Well, I think that the Vice President has about the same views as the President has." He says he will probably do about the same thing that President Kennedy will do.

Mr. Dulles.

Oswald said that to you?

Mr. Fritz.

Either to me or someone, it could be one of the other officers who asked that question while they were talking about him.

Mr. Mccloy.

Of course, you knew Officer Tippit?

Mr. Fritz.

I didn't know him. I didn't know him. No, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

He didn't work directly under you?

Mr. Fritz.

I looked at his record and saw that the chief of the personnel file and I looked at the personnel file and I talked to a number of officers who did know him and they speak very highly.

Mr. Dulles.

Have you ever reviewed his record since these events?

Mr. Fritz.

I didn't exactly review it but I read a good part of it and the chief read a good part of it to me.

Mr. Dulles.

The record is good?

Mr. Fritz.

The record is good. It was average, it looked better than a lot of them do. It is all right. It had the same little things that happen to most officers, maybe some little complaint about something minor, nothing of any consequence.

Mr. Mccloy.

So far as you know he had no connection with Ruby?

Mr. Fritz.

I am sure he did not. I think I know what you people have probably heard. We hear all kinds of rumors down our way and I am not trying to volunteer a lot of things here. I know you have a lot of business to do, have you heard something about some connection between Oswald and Ruby and Tippit, and some fourth person, I heard some story, we didn't find any ground for it at all. We didn't find any connection of any kind that would connect them together. I can't even find a connection between Ruby and Oswald and I can't place them in the same building at the same time nor place them in the same building together, YMCA, one of them lived there and one of them was taking some kind of an athletic course there.

Mr. Mccloy.

But not at the same time?

Mr. Fritz.

Well, I can't place them there at the same time; no, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Have you discovered any connection between any of your officers and Ruby?

Mr. Fritz.

Well, I think a lot of the officers knew Ruby. I think about two or three officers in my office knew him, and I think practically all of the special service officers who handle the vice and the clubs and the liquor violations, I think nearly all of them knew him and, of course, the officer knew him who had arrested him carrying pistols a time or two, two or three times, uniformed officer mostly. He seemed to be well known. It seems a lot of people in town knew him. But I never was in his place and I didn't know him. Twenty years ago I might have been in his place.

Mr. Ball.

Captain Fritz, from being with Oswald for a couple of days what were your impressions about him? Was he afraid, scared?

Mr. Fritz.

Was he afraid?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; I don't believe he was afraid at all. I think he was a person who had his mind made up what to do and I think he was like a person just dedicated to a cause. And I think he was above average for intelligence.
I know a lot of people call him a nut all the time but he didn't talk like a nut. He knew-exactly when to quit talking. He knew the kind of questions, I could talk to him as long as I wanted to if I just talked about a lot of things that