Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you see the rifle in the position in which it was found?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Mccloy.

Where was it found?

Mr. Fritz.

It was found back near the stairway in a little some boxes were stacked about this far apart, about that far apart. The rifle was down on the floor and partially under these boxes back near the stairway in the corner of the building.

Mr. Mccloy.

This was on the sixth floor?

Mr. Fritz.

Sixth floor; yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

Nobody had touched it by the time you saw it?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; nobody touched it. They called me as soon as they saw it and I went back there and I saw it.

Mr. Mccloy.

Then you say the rifle was then dusted?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

Does that mean the laboratory people had already come there then?

Mr. Fritz.

He came down from where he had been; he was on the same floor checking the empty cartridges, and he came back.

Mr. Mccloy.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Fritz.

To the back, when I called him, and he came back there and checked the rifle; yes, sir.

Mr. Mccloy.

When you went up to the sixth floor from which Oswald apparently had fired these shots, what did it look like there, what was the--how were things arranged there? Was there anything in the nature of a gun rest there or anything that could be used as a gun rest?

Mr. Fritz.

You mean up in the corner where he shot from, from the window?

Mr. Mccloy.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; there were some boxes stacked there and I believe one box, one small box I believe was in the window, and another box was on the floor. There were some boxes stacked to his right that more or less blinded him from the rest of the floor. If anyone else had been on the floor I doubt if they could have seen where he was sitting.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you see anything other----

Mr. Fritz.

Lieutenant Day, of course, made a detailed description of all of that and he can give it to you much better than I can.

Mr. Mccloy.

He is going to be here?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; and he will give it to you in detail; yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

When was the paper bag covering that apparently he brought the rifle in, was that discovered in the sixth floor about the same time?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; that was recovered a little later. I wasn't down there when that was found.

Mr. Dulles.

It was recovered on the sixth floor, was it not?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I believe so. We can check here and see. I believe it was. But I wasn't there when that was recovered.

Mr. Ball.

Here is a picture of Commission Exhibit 514.

Mr. Fritz.

That is the do I have it turned around?

Mr. Ball.

Do you recognize it?

Mr. Fritz.

That is it.

Mr. Ball.

Is that the scene that was photographed by the crime lab group?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; that is right. But there is one thing that this picture is a little bit deceiving in one way. This picture is taken with a man standing, no doubt, on boxes up high like this, standing down level on the floor. This gun was partially under the end of those boxes right there. You see the camera evidently took a picture under like that, and he got a little more gun than you would see if you were standing on the floor.

Mr. Ball.

I want to ask you about a showup.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Callaway and Guinyard and McWatters. You--did you say you were present at that showup? That is No. 2.