Mr. Curry.

accurate number, but I am just presuming from just talking to people in the department. I would say that certainly no more than 50 men knew anything about him at all.

Mr. Dulles.

Have you made any effort to find out and run down these men that did know?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

You have?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

And how many have you actually discovered did know Ruby from that investigation?

Mr. Curry.

I don't have the exact number, but I am guessing it probably would be 25 or 30 men.

Mr. Dulles.

Twenty-five men whom you have interrogated with regard to their association with Ruby?

Mr. Curry.

That knew him in some capacity. That knew him in some capacity.

Mr. Dulles.

Mr. Rankin, do we have depositions on this point?

Mr. Rankin.

We have inquired of everyone deposed as to what he knew about Jack Ruby, what acquaintance, any prior connections.

Mr. Dulles.

You mean all the police officers who were----

Mr. Rankin.

Who were interrogated, but, of course, we didn't cover any 1,200 men.

Mr. Dulles.

Did you cover all those that were present that morning?

Mr. Curry.

I believe we asked anyone in the police department who knew Ruby to let us know about it. And then I think anyone that knew him, the names were turned over to these people here. We covered all that such an inquiry would reveal but we didn't purport to cover--well, we covered something like a hundred out of 1,200.
We requested by departmental order any police officer who knew Jack Ruby make it known to us, and then he was interrogated about it.

Mr. Rankin.

Of those interrogated that would probably include all of those present the day of the shooting of Oswald, the morning of the shooting of Oswald at the time of the transfer?

Mr. Curry.

I believe it would.

Mr. Rankin.

All that we knew were present at all, and beyond that, too, have been interrogated.

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Mccloy.

When Officer 78, that is Tippit was directed to the Oak Cliff area that was simply because the Oak Cliff area was sort of a center of activity at that point?

Mr. Curry.

At that time.

Mr. Mccloy.

It wasn't--it wasn't because you were trying to or had any idea that the suspect might have been there?

Mr. Curry.

Not from the Presidential shooting, but we were sure that the suspect in the Officer Tippit shooting was in the central area.

Mr. Mccloy.

But Tippit was still alive on the first direction to him to go out there?

Mr. Curry.

That was because some of the squad had been moved out of the Oak Cliff into the Dallas area. You see, this is across the river.

Mr. Mccloy.

What is the Oak Cliff area?

Mr. Rankin.

I think that ought to be clarified. Chief Curry, wasn't your testimony that Tippit was in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas?

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Rankin.

And then he was directed to move to the central Oak Cliff area?

Mr. Curry.

That is correct.

Mr. Rankin.

Move in closer, and so he was in it, his regular beat, as I understand it, was in the Oak Cliff area, isn't that right?

Mr. Curry.

Yes.

Mr. Rankin.

And is Oak Cliff a suburb or what is it?

Mr. Curry.

It is not exactly a suburb, but it is physically separated. It used to be a separate municipality and some years ago----