The Chairman.

Chief, on your arraignments does the magistrate advise the petitioner as to his right to counsel?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir; he does.

The Chairman.

Does he ask him if he has counsel?

Mr. Curry.

I don't recall him doing that. I am not customarily present when a person is arraigned.

The Chairman.

You were not present at the arraignment?

Mr. Curry.

I was present when he was arraigned for the assassination of the President. I was not present when he was arraigned for the murder of Tippit.

The Chairman.

I suppose they make a stenographic record of that, do they not?

Mr. Curry.

Yes, sir; I am sure they do.

The Chairman.

That is all I have.

Mr. Rankin.

Chief, our people made an inquiry whether there was a stenographic record. They don't believe there was any.

Mr. Curry.

I am not sure of that. I know at the time he was arraigned for the assassination of the President I was present there at the time. It was decided that we should, district attorney was there at the city hall. He was there during most of the evening.

Mr. Rankin.

Will you just describe for the Commission what happened during the arraignment for the assassination, who was present, what you saw.

Mr. Curry.

As I recall, I know the Justice of the Peace David John Stone was there. It seemed like Sergeant Warren, but I couldn't be positive but some of the jail personnel brought him out into the identification bureau.

Mr. Rankin.

How was he taken out? Were there several people around him, what was the security arrangements?

Mr. Curry.

At that time there was only, we were inside the offices of the criminal identification section. He was brought out through a door that opens from the jail into the criminal identification section. There was only about a half dozen of us altogether there, I don't recall who all was there.

Mr. Rankin.

What do you mean by the criminal identification section. Could you describe what that is?

Mr. Curry.

That is the identification bureau.

Mr. Rankin.

Does that have a room that this meeting occurred in?

Mr. Curry.

It is not a room such as this. It was in the little foyer or lobby, and it is separated from the jail lobby.

Mr. Rankin.

Did the justice of the peace sit or stand or what?

Mr. Curry.

He stood. He stood on one side of the counter and Oswald on the other side of the counter.

Mr. Rankin.

What floor is this on?

Mr. Curry.

The fourth floor.

Mr. Rankin.

That is nearest the place where there are some filing cabinets?

Mr. Curry.

Yes; it is.

Mr. Rankin.

And besides the people that you have described, I assume that you yourself were there as you have said?

Mr. Curry.

Yes; I was.

Mr. Rankin.

Was there anyone else that you recall?

Mr. Curry.

Not that I recall, other than the justice of the peace.

Mr. Rankin.

Will you describe what happened?

Mr. Curry.

Lee Harvey Oswald was brought in and the complaint was read to him, and here again he was very arrogant and he said, "I don't know what you are talking about. That is the deal, is it," and such remarks as this, and the Justice of the peace very patiently and courteously explained to him what the procedure was and why it was.

Mr. Rankin.

What did he say about that?

Mr. Curry.

I don't recall his exact words.

Mr. Rankin.

Just tell us in substance.

Mr. Curry.

He didn't--as I recall, he didn't think much of it. He just said, "I don't know what you are talking about."

Mr. Rankin.

What did the Justice of the peace say about the procedure and any rights and so forth?