Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

When she arrived at your home? Were you girls in the living room?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you sit down and talk?

Mrs. Paine.

No. She just came to the door to see if we had heard the news.

Mr. Jenner.

She was there just a bit of the time?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. She did not come, actually, into the house.

Mr. Jenner.

She did not. She stood in the doorway?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And did she speak to you and to Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, she spoke in English, and I doubt she said much more than, "Have you heard?"

Mr. Jenner.

Did Marina say anything to you for translation of Mrs. Reynolds?

Mrs. Paine.

No. Roberts.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Roberts; while Mrs. Roberts was there?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Learning that you girls were aware of the events up to that moment, she left and, as far as you know, returned to her home?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, that morning--if I may, Mr. Chairman, because of the entry of the police, that is a good cutoff point, I would like to go back to the morning for the moment, or the evening before. Mrs. Paine, did you then have what might be called some curtain rods in your garage?

Mrs. Paine.

I believe there were.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have a recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; they were stored in the garage, wrapped in loose brown paper.

Mr. Jenner.

Is it the brown paper of the nature and character you described yesterday that you get at the market and have in a roll?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you wrapped that package yourself?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, curtain rods can be of various types. One type of curtain rod, as I remember, is a solid brass rod. Others are hollow. Some are shaped. Would you describe these curtain rods, please?

Mrs. Paine.

They were a light weight.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me; do you still have them?

Mrs. Paine.

I still have them.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mrs. Paine.

Metal rods that you slip the curtain over, not with a ring but just with the cloth itself, and they are expansion rods.

Mr. Jenner.

Are they flat on one side?

Mrs. Paine.

They are flat on one side; about an inch wide and about a quarter of an inch thick.

Mr. Jenner.

And assume we are holding the rod horizontally, do the edges of the rod slip over?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Senator Cooper.

Did you wrap these rods in the paper? Had you wrapped them?

Mrs. Paine.

Sometime previously I had.

Senator Cooper.

How long before?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, possibly a year.

Senator Cooper.

What?

Mrs. Paine.

Possibly a year.

Senator Cooper.

As far as you know, they had never been changed?

Mrs. Paine.

Moved about, but not changed.

Senator Cooper.

Can you just describe the length?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Senator Cooper.

The length of the reds, at the time you wrapped them.